To loathe the gradual creep of "gotten " as accepted English

[BonnyDay]

In this country ?

A good bloke. Probably the last Oxford don to do anything innovative.

I love reading David Crystal's writing on the English language; he covers so much of this. I too use gotten and also bring/take interchangeably . I'm Irish and according to Crystal it is Hiberno-English usage.

this has gone well off-topic.....any idea why there is a Lollard St and a Wycliffe St around Kennington, south London?

oooh David Crystal is great gypsyfloss, and Hiberno-English is fascinating too...

Well, London is fairly Lollard-y. I don't know about Kennington specifically but Anne Hudson's The Premature Reformation might well say.

I don't know if this is off-topic - I suspect that the beginnings of serious/religious writing in English in that period actually have a huge amount to do both with what is seen as 'correct' English grammar, and with the fact we have a prescriptive grammar at all.

Ah, got it. Oldcastle (the knight who was at the centre of one of the Lollard would-be rebellions) was brought before the king at the king's palace in Kennington, and the Lollard tracts associated with him were examined there.

So in the examples given, are people using have gotten as present perfect?
It sounds so ugly - sorry. I can't see the difference between have got and have gotten enough for there to be a need to use it

But you'd use 'forgotten' not 'forgot'?

Isn't the a passive/active thing going on (forgive me, my grammar is shite)? 'He has been forgotten'/ 'I forgot him'. You wouldn't say 'He has been forgot', I think?

I used to avoid split infinitives, until I found out that it originated with Latin. Then I began to confidently write them whenever they sounded pleasing to my ear. If there's an afterlife and they quibble over my decision, I will say "scribere split infinitives amo so there". That'll hurt them worse than the split infinitives, and grant them a new sense of perspective.

Well, that's what this mouse plans, but we all know what Robert Burns used to say about mice and their ability to carry out tasks.

Love the multiple versions of the Bible quote LRD.

(that's not a proper sentence, do you mind?)

NellyJob I wouldn't jump on you, I'd give you this link

obviously I knew that alot was wrong, that is why I corrected myself, duh.

Did you click the link? It's supposed to be funny. I read the cartoon once, liked it, and now like to share it at any opportunity :)

I like the alot.

actually it made me smile, alot, so thanks!!
Just feeling a bit paranoid since some fucker defaced my proofreading ads over a disputed comma!

It scares me. You all scare me.

OK, good, I just wanted to share the alot love :)

Oooh nelly, grammar wars? Who knew the power of punctuation?

Hope you're okay!

recovering thanks! It is more than just a bit annoying having LOL LOL LOL scribbled over your ads!

I'm not qualified to be a pedant as I have to admit I don't know or understand all the rules. I don't like 'gotten', but I really hate 'get' when use by someone ordering something ie. 'can I get a skinny latte?'

I sometimes dream about sad alots, ever since I read that comic a few months back.

nancy where is, "My bad" in Hamlet?

Oh, yes, please, I want the reference for 'my bad' in Hamlet!

I don't care for 'can I get' and look forward to the day I have small children, so it will be socially acceptable to hiss loudly 'you mean "may I have"!'

I like to use discluded as a less harsh punishment than excluded.

Excluded sounds so final, whereas discluded means you are not included for a short time.

DD had us in fits of laughter yesterday. She smelled the Tea Tree oil I was putting in her bath and exclaimed 'Oh my giddy arms, that's strong'