to think teachers and schools do a fooking amazing job, and to be stunned and disgusted that they get such unnecessary arse-ache from ridiculous parents?

[bejeezus]

Im despairing of the amount of AIBU threads recently along the lines of- teachers shouldnt be telling my dc to go to bed early/ shouldnt be promoting 100% attendance blah blah blah

I understand there are other routes to adulthood besides main-stream education. But whilst you do use mainstream education you should understand what a difficult job it is for schools and teachers to educate groups of 30 children and maintain discipline, if those children are late/absent/tired and if the parents are constantly undermining the teachers/schools authority.

Schools have a whole diversity of families and children to accomodate including children with English as a 2nd/3rd language,social problems,SENs, disabilities and a whole range of abilities to cater for within each class. The last thing they need on top of this is spending valuable time and resources accomodating whiney-arsed parents who think the rules should not apply to them because they are in some way 'special'; ie. they are educated and rich and capable of home tutoring to facilitate an extended trip and absence from school. Ifthat isthe case, then do your home schooling and free up the schoolplace for a child that is not going to disrupt the class by extended absences/lateness and duvet days.

And, no, having your childrens lead an enriched and cultured lifestyle does not constitute a valid excuse for lateness and tiredness. Get your kids to bed on time so the teachers have the best chance of getting the best education to the most kids

There are very many countries and cultures where only1 child per family is educated (at best) because the family cannot afford more. This is almost always not a daughter

Its appalling. Education is a priviledge. What chance in hell do teachers have of getting kids to appreciate that, if the parents insisted on taken it for granted.

And finally, big-up to the teachers on here. You do a grand job, in the face of lunacy!

[bejeezus]

Becarooo, as I already said my dd1 has SN. Our SENCO is fantastic, really dedicated and compassionate, her adult son has a number of SN, so she has a lot of empathy and understanding

Them school has ALOT of SN to consider and they work really hard to be inclusive, and they acheivw it very well

If my dds school was ad bad as what some posters describe, I'd move her

I wonder if our own experience of school colours how we view our dcs children. Some of you sound really affected.

[bejeezus]

Anyhow, wasn't talking about SN provisions or disputing that there is a range in effectiveness of teachers
Just complaining about the whiney guff that it would appear MN mums waste the teachers time with

[Becaroooo]

I think it does to some extent beejeezus

I am glad your SENco is great. She is in the minority IME and the experience of many others I know.

Also, if you live in the middle of nowhere you cannot just "move schools" that easily and it is also hard if you have other dc in school that are doing ok/enjoying it.

If only life were that simple, eh?

[Becaroooo]

beejeezus Just because you consider their complaints a waste of time does not empirically mean they are a waste of time though, does it?

Horses for courses......

[bejeezus]

AND if you don't respect the teachers and the school, how do you expect your children to? Do you expect the other parents to respect the teachers and the school? The other kids? Do you think this has any impact on the teachers ability to teach their class? Do you care that the teacher might be compromised? If you are more than capable of topping up your dcs education or even correcting it as some have said, do you even give a shit about the impact on the other kids in the class?

[bejeezus]

And obviously allowing your children to be late, absent or tired is fine because you know your dc best and obviously it is clear to anyone that you would only be taking your kids out of school for some life enriching purpose. Does it matter if this impacts the rest of the class, ad the teacher has to spend time helping your dc catch up? What if half the class took their kids out for absences, or brought them in late or tired and your dcs progress was hindered because the teacher was helping others catch up?

[Becaroooo]

Erm.....I send my son to school. I am a parent helper. I am on the PTA. I attend all parents evenings. My son always completes any work given to him to complete at home. He does sponsored events. I bake for the fairs. I encourage him with his schoolwork and to listen to his teachers. In all his school life (he is Y4 now) he has never been disciplined by his teachers.

So, sorry, but in what way am I "not respecting the teachers or the school"????????

Just because I dont think are always right??????????



At least 2 of my sons previous teachers were VERY wrong wrt to my son and his problems. I suppose, according to you, I should still have my head up my arse and be saying "yes miss, no miss" just because they have a PGCE!!!?????!!!!!

Yes, I give a shit about other children - which is why I will never stop complaining about shit teachers and dire sen provision.

HTH

[Becaroooo]

Erm...my sons attendance and time keeping is excellent too, thanks

I am beginning to think you might have a few issues with certain parents at your childs school????

If so, then perhaps you should take it up with the school/LA/OFSETD rather than bleating on about it on MN???

Good post LQ My sons current teacher is very good. His Y3 (NQ) teacher was awful...just how it is.

[bejeezus]

Jeez...I'm not talking about SN provisions and I'm not talking about crap teachers...

I'm talking about parents who think its ok to take their kids to school late/tired/out of school....because they know their lids best and how to educate them. And THEY would clearly not be absent for no good reason. If THEY have deemed absence to be worthwhile then attendance rules should not aplly to them. People who think school rules and Regs are for 'other people'..and THEN whine that teacher/school is ineffective!

As evidenced by MN threads
Never come across it in RL. Thank god

[springchickennugget]

@LeQueen agreed. Recent convo with medical school friend was about how they couldn't possible be a GP as they would only ever earn £60k, and you can't live on that.

[Starwisher]

Who are these people who take kids out of school for no good reason?

[Southwest]

Yup you are being completely unreasonable

Schools are the for those parents and children too


The attendence thing is so just a stick to beat the middle classes with and don't getme started on lunch boxes

[Southwest]

Schools are there!!

[Southwest]

Off topic but GPs are the best paid Docs they earn more than hosp docs for years


( and way more than 60k)

[springchickennugget]

@southwest tbf the one's who were GPs int eh 90s earn loads more but people who are graduating now and are employees rather than partners are on 'only' £60k max generally.

[exoticfruits]

There are excellent schools and dire schools and everything in between-the same with teachers and SEN provision. It mirrors anything in life. It takes all sorts.

However it is very true that on MN you get a lot of trifling little problems that are made into huge problems. (you do of course get the real problems too).

[Southwest]

Ah yes job protection and keeping others out alive and well in the caring professions


Although I still think 60k is a bit low if full time and claiming all you can


(they could always do a bit of on call if needed ha ha!!!)

[thebody]

I have posted on mumsnet about this before and sorry am going to again.

My dd wAs on a school trip and her coach crashed off the motorway on France. One teacher died instantly, he was the senior teacher and head of the party.

The other 3 teachers despite serious and painful injuries coordinated the rescue of all the children, held the hand of my injured dd while she was being cut out of the wreckage. Consoled, cuddled and tried to shield the children from the awful sights around them and in all cases were magnificent.

It was only after all the children were met by parents in England, some 24 hours later that they allowed themselves to collapse.

I those teachers are our heroes and me and dd are so lucky to have them.

[Heswall]

I doubt there is a person alive who would not have done exactly the same in that situation the body

[thebody]

Except the second coach driver, amazingly he refused to help and went up the motorway with a fag, I no its just fukin unbelievable but true.

[Mopswerver]

Was this the incident that happened not so long ago? How awful for you all. I can't imagine the trauma those teachers have experienced because ultimately they are responsible when on these trips. Wish you all well.

[Mopswerver]

I have to say the body that he may well have been in shock at that stage.

[thebody]

Thanks yes all still early days of coming to terms with it all mops, yes it was the Alvechurch coach crash, still have 2 girls in hospital.

I would take your point about shock but both drivers had been vile to the children and rude to teachers all week and they had already decided to complain, then the other bastard fell asleep at the wheel.

Sorry to hijack thread anyway but just wanted to say our school and staff are and have been amazing.