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Argument with wife

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dangalf · 29/07/2011 15:17

hi - looking to get a female perspective on this. The argument seems to have now spiralled out of all proportion.

We have a 3 week baby girl. I have stated in the past that a) I don;t particularly like dummies and b) certainly don't want DD using one until at least a month old.

Anyway,the MIL is down visiting. The 3 of us were having dinner when my wife said something along the lines of 'Oh no, she's going to give us away' while looking at baby. I asked her what she meant and she admitted to giving DD a pacifier earlier in the day. I didn't say anything as obv didn't want to make a scene with her mum there. So, I carried on eating. However, conversation took a downturn, leading to some awkward silence. She now blames me for creating an atmosphere, being mean to her mother and says that it is unforgivable.

I said that I was upset because she knew I didn't want dummy, certainly until a monh old, and that she went ahead and did it anyway. I fear that my input is being ignored.

Anyway, we ignored each other for most of last night. we have now had ongoing text argument over it - with each of us becoming more entrenched in our argument. She now wants me to cancel BBQ (with friends and family) tomorrow. I refused as it is late notice and I don't want to ring around saying we are not doing it becuase of a fight. Especially as I think if it is still going on tomorrow that is ridiculous.

I think we're probably both being a bit unreasonable but feel backed in to a corner as it is always me who has to apologise and clear the air in these situations and I want her to acknowledge atleast that my say should hold some sway in the way we bring up DS.

Anyway, I'm prepared to accept it if the jury finds me in the wrong.

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springydaffs · 29/07/2011 19:08

Haven't read all the pages, sorry, but, notwithstanding that you may feel your nose is out of joint OP (fair enough - though I think the dummy may be a red herring)

hang on, saying a lot of things there...

...the most important thing is that your wife has just had a baby and will be all over the place with hormones, exhaustion etc. Having a running battle for an entire day could send her over the edge. You need to be totally at her side, totally supporting her - if she says jump you ask how high (within reason!).

I think some people have already said that she is the one at home doing the job and tbh you have to defer to her and what she has deemed appropriate. The exchange at the dinner table sounded quite gentle to me - she brought it up obliquely and light-heartedly, knowing you wouldn't like it, but it doesn't look like she anticipated it could lead to WW3.

She could so seriously do without this OP. Also the BBQ 3 weeks after the birth of your baby?? Shock. oh my gosh, there is no way I would've been able to do that with any of my kids. Cancel it, tell everybody you were a twit to not realise the massive upheaval a new baby can bring - everyone will perfectly understand (and lots of them would have been mumbling to themselves that it was a bit unrealistic to arrange it in the first place, so soon after the birth).

Really, you can't be arguing like this over every bump in the road. I appreciate that you may be feeling pushed out somehow - and that is something to address, but further down the road. In the meantime, take the high road and support your wife.

Some highway analogies going on there Wink

HOpe it gets sorted out and you can both enjoy your lovely baby. Congratulations Dad, btw.

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exoticfruits · 29/07/2011 19:12

Throw the books away! Honestly you will both find your own way which suits your dd's needs and personality and you will start to feel guilty it thinking you are doing it wrong if you have the 'experts' in your mind!

Very sensible advice-the best thing that you can do.

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Portofino · 29/07/2011 19:16

I absoulutely SWORE that no child of mine would have a dummy. I lasted less than 2 weeks. Honestly, pick bigger battles.

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Portofino · 29/07/2011 19:18

Wine Sorry but dd was just reading over my shoulder and asked what the funny faces were. She MADE me add this. I am too soft.

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cerealqueen · 29/07/2011 19:35

OP has had some great advice so won't reiterate but to add that it is a shame we call them 'dummies' in the Uk when 'soother' sums up its purpose so well.

Congrats by the way, enjoy this special time.

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HerBeX · 29/07/2011 19:41

One more thing about the going behind your back thing - is that the right way to see it? What should she have done? Phoned you up at work, interrupted you in a meeting to consult about this, as the baby had been fed but was screaming and her nipples were sore? I think she felt a bit guilty about not consulting you (hence joking about it) but she really doesn't need to IMO - she should have just told you that she'd made an executive decision as you weren't there.

And there's the big issue here: If you want equal decision-making power, then you need to do equal parenting. And that's where our society and workplace, is structured to thwart you and decent fathers like you; paternity leave is shit and lots of employers are still deeply hostile to men taking part time or flexible hours. But at the risk of thinking too far ahead here, you obviously are a very involved and concerned father and want to be involved with your DC's life - so now might be the time to start considering how you and your DW can organise your work-lives, so that you get to spend as much time with your DC('s) in the future as she does; then that way, you get as a big a say in how they're parented, as her. But if you don't facilitate that (by working from home one day a week, doing the school run three days a week, etc - whatever works for you, your employer and your family), then you'll find these sorts of situations crop up again and again, where her greater time spent parenting, gives her greater decision making rights -inevitably. If you (and your DW) don't want that, you need to start thinking about how to avoid falling into that trap round about now-ish.

But I'm running ahead now, so will just say enjoy your baby and being a father. Smile

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burnsie · 29/07/2011 20:03

In answer to the OP..
We never did the dummy thing and I set myself some crazy targets in relation to childcare and achieved them all.
If I were to do it all again I would be far more lax in favour of an easier life!
You are probably both properly knackered. It may feel important at the moment but in the grand scheme of things it isn't worth fighting over.

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Bigglewinkle · 29/07/2011 20:16

And don't worry about the squabble, DH and I had the most ridiculous argument about the temp of DS's bathwater and how to read the bath thermometer thingy (cos it's sooo accurate!!) When DS was about 3wo.
We pulled through and found our own way :) and still happily married with a DD to add to the chaos.
You sound lovely to be so engaged and also to take the time (and guts) to come on here for opinions. Well done you

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Whatmeworry · 29/07/2011 21:32

Lose the books, they are mostly written by Prats With Agendas but no baby reads them :)

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exoticfruits · 29/07/2011 22:00

Next year you will look back and laugh that you were both getting worked up about it. Grin

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janelikesjam · 29/07/2011 22:05

I can't say what the answer is. I just want you to know that I understand where you are coming from. Maybe its not the end of the world but I didn't want my son to have a dummy, as I personally can't stand them. How two people with differing views sort that one out I have no idea though ...

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janelikesjam · 29/07/2011 22:07

By the way, it wasn't because of a "book" that I didn't like them, its just something completely instinctive. Some contributors are being patronising to mothers who don't like dummies for their babies, implying they are just brainwashed idiots. Grrr.....

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exoticfruits · 29/07/2011 22:10

How two people with differing views sort that one out I have no idea though ...

Let the baby decide-they probably won't want it anyway! One of mine did and 2 didn't and wouldn't have it. They are all different and, as someone has already pointed out, they don't read the books.

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chipmonkey · 29/07/2011 22:31

dangalf, I do admire you for trying to stick to your principles but believe me, it's not always such a good idea to try to stick too rigidly to any set of "rules". The babies haven't read the books and with the best will in the world, the most principled of us will reach for a dummy or a bottle of imported gripe water ( I'm in Ireland, we have to go up North to get it!) or various other things you are not supposed to use after pacing the floor for three hours with a crying baby.

Also, I agree with the poster who thinks the Barbecue is a bad idea. Three weeks after having ds1, I was doing well if I was out of my dressing gown by 3pm. Have you considered that she may be totally overwhelmed by the idea of having a bunch of guests over, having to look nice, have baby look nice, cook up great food etc, all 3 weeks postpartum? Maybe the nice thing to do would be to call it off till baby is older?

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biscuitmad · 29/07/2011 22:41

I used a dummy for my lo I think I first used it when he was a week old. Its a great comfort for a small child. It helps them to calm down and relax. One day I decided that I had enough of the dummy and my lo was about ten months old. He kept looking for it all day, 24 hours later he didnt miss it at all.

What Im trying to say is this its not fair to leave your wife with a screaming child, when they can be soothed really easily. You just have to be firm to when the dummy goes and never comes back.

Looking back Im glad I did the dummy, otherwise it would have been thumb sucking. My nephew is nine and still sucks his thumb, gross. My lo has never sucked his thumb.

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chipmonkey · 29/07/2011 22:49

Also, I imagine the conversation between your dw and her Mum probably went along the lines of this:
MIL: She's not hungry, she's just using you for comfort. You're exhausted. Just give her a dummy and let her suck it so you can have a nap.
dw: Oh no, dangalf will go mad! He hates dummies.
MIL: Why are you letting him dictate to you? You are the one stuck at home with the baby, with sore nipples, listening to her crying! Here, I bought these for you..... >
Or at least that's how it used to go with my Mum.......

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HerBeX · 29/07/2011 23:01

I do hope the OP is busy doing all the preparations for the barbecue so that his DW can rest and look after the baby.

I remember arranging for my friends to come over when DS1 was 6 weeks old, blithely thinking that I'd be all settled by then. What a nightmare that was... I didn't manage to get out of my dressing gown before 1PM till DS was about three months old...

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VelveteenRabbit · 29/07/2011 23:07

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mrswoodentop · 29/07/2011 23:18

Velveteen that was a bit harsh I think we just have a case of over anxious new father here.My advice is ditch the books as much as possible,your baby has not read the book.Smile

Also I am sorry but I just cannot get my head around you hosting a barbecue when your dd is only 3 weeks .If my dh had wanted to do this I would have lynched him to be honest ,very bad idea please cancel if your dw is not feeing up to it I cannot think of anything more pressurising.Weekends should be about spending time together at this time and quite frankly catching up on her sleep whilst you are around to take dd not madly socialising.

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VelveteenRabbit · 29/07/2011 23:25

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HerBeX · 29/07/2011 23:27

Yes I have to agree re the barbecue. As I said, even at 6 weeks I still wasn't confident I had established breastfeeding (though the OP's DW may have done) - at three weeks the thought of people coming ot socialise and view my interractions with my baby would have had me hiding in the cellar and refusing to come out.

Unless the OP's DW isn't expected to socialise or help prepare for it and every single bit of work for it is being done by the OP and the MIL (which |TBH I am assuming)

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HerBeX · 29/07/2011 23:28

I'd missed the 2 day thing.

That's ridiculous.

I think he's prob made it up by now though VR

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clam · 29/07/2011 23:30

I too loathe dummies - particularly when you see 3 year olds out and about in town with them. So I can totally understand where you're coming from.

BUT, as others have said, if your DW is the one at the chalk face, trying to cope with a screaming newborn, then I reckon she has the casting vote. Both of mine ended up with them and I reckon it just about saved all our sanity. They were only ever used in the house and, as they got a bit older, at bedtime to settle. Was too Blush to be seen out in public using them. Remember too that whilst there are ways to bribe withdraw the dummy, if they find their thumbs, you're stuck and that looks even worse, to my mind.

As pfb parents, we read a few books too, but we agreed in advance that we would not follow any one doctrine and wait to see what sort of baby we got landed with. Books are all well and good, but some of the advice needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt, according to your gut instinct and your baby's. We went with the flow, and made it up as we went along. We all survived. And I wouldn't count the dummy debate as a child-raising issue. It's more of a sanity-saver.

Hope you're getting some sleep.

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myBOYSareBONKERS · 30/07/2011 08:22

My midwife told me to give a dummy to 7 day old ds2. He was suckling for comfort and had put on 1lb 2oz in the first week - I couldnt keep up with his demands.

The dummy was a life saver for me and he was able to self settle much easier than ds1 who didn't have a dummy (didnt need one).

I was strict with it though and he only had it for sleep times.

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