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18 week old baby - lactose intolerant?

39 replies

pamelat · 23/05/2008 19:19

Hello, the doctor has today prescribed soya based milk for my 4 month old baby daughter.

She has always suffered with digestive problems, I was breast feeding her until 3 weeks or so ago.

In the last month or so she has become increasingly unhappy, making her body go rigid, going red in the face and screaming and then pooing, sometimes 5 to 6 times a day

In the last 3 days especially there has been a lot of screaming, she is teething too.

I am going to start this new milk tomorrow but I dont hold much hope out for it, I think it has been prescribed because the doctor doesn't really know what is wrong with her .... ??

She is managing to sleep in the evenings, waking every 3 hours to feed, the screaming is predominantly during the afternoons.

its really upsetting me to see her like this, does anyone have experience of lactose intolerance or this soya based milk and any success on it .. ????

She is gaining weight well and not being particulary sicky, which is why I am sceptical about this intolerance .. ?

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romysmum · 17/07/2008 22:09

Sorry about spelling errors in my first message, just read it back!!......I'm putting it downn to sleep deprevation....

CantSleepWontSleep · 17/07/2008 22:16

romysmum - you don't need to get her on to bottles at all unless you want to.

Has your GP suggested that this is just a temporary lactose intolerance following a virus (quite common), or does he think permanent (in which case what makes him think that it is lactose rather than milk protein causing the problem)?

If it's a CMP intolerance then you just need to give up dairy in your own diet to carry on feeding yourself, and if lactose then colief drops may well help.

magicfarawaytree · 17/07/2008 22:47

colief is the stuff for colic that you put in breast milk. To be fair it did little for my DD1 when she was a baby but others swore by it. Is your DD definitely lactose intolerant or is it milk protein. My dd has was a colicky baby had silent reflux and has only now at 6 being diagnosed as milk protein intolerant. It has gone hand in hand with acid reflux and has wrecked her milk teeth and has started to affect some of her adult teeth. DD1 Got a referal to the paediatrician, and he told us that Drs frequently dont link these issues. If you have any concerns go back to your Dr. If no joy with dr try to get them to refer you to a paediatrician.

romysmum · 20/07/2008 21:25

thanks for that, I do have my reservations about the intolerance, dr seems to think it is temp following virus. DD will not take lactose free formula at all anyway, tried it, it really does taste awful!! She does however have a lot of tummy problems, and seems to get a lot of discomfort, I am trying to cut dairy and caffine to see if this makes any difference.....

GreenMonkies · 20/07/2008 21:36

www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/lactose.html

Lactose Intolerance and the breastfed baby
Joy Anderson BSc, Dip.Ed., Grad.Dip.Med.Tech., IBCLC, ABA Breastfeeding Counsellor

Lactose is the sugar in all mammalian milks. It is produced in the breast and is independent of the mother's consumption of lactose. It is present in a constant concentration in breastmilk. Foremilk, the milk the baby gets when he first starts to feed, does not contain more lactose than hindmilk, but it does contain less fat. Lactase is the enzyme that is required to digest lactose. Lactose intolerance arises when a person does not produce this enzyme (or does not produce enough) and is therefore unable to digest lactose.

The symptoms of lactose intolerance are liquid, frothy stools, and an irritable baby who may pass wind often. If a baby is lactose intolerant, the medical tests, 'hydrogen breath test' and tests for 'reducing sugars' in the stools would be expected to be positive. However these are positive in most normal babies under three months too so their use in diagnosing lactose intolerance is open to question.

There are some common fallacies about lactose intolerance that you may hear in the community:
Lactose in the breastmilk will be reduced if the mother stops eating dairy products.
Lactose intolerance in other family members (adults) means baby is more likely to be lactose intolerant.
If a mother is lactose intolerant then her baby will be as well.
A baby with symptoms of lactose intolerance should immediately be taken off the breast and fed on soy-based infant formula, or other special lactose-free formula.
Lactose intolerance is the same as intolerance or allergy to cows' milk protein.

Read on to see what is wrong with these ideas!

Lactose intolerance in babies
Primary (or true) lactose intolerance is an extremely rare genetic condition and is incompatible with normal life without medical intervention. A truly lactose intolerant baby would fail to thrive from birth (ie not even start to gain weight), and show obvious symptoms of malabsorption and dehydration - a medical emergency case needing a special diet from soon after birth.

Anything that damages the gut lining, even subtly, can cause secondary lactose intolerance. The enzyme lactase is produced in the very tips of folds of the intestine, and anything that causes damage to the gut may wipe off these tips and reduce the enzyme production, for example
gastroenteritis
food intolerance or allergy (In breastfed babies, this can come from food proteins, such as cows' milk, soy or egg, in the mother's milk originating in her diet, as well as from food the baby has eaten.)
coeliac disease (intolerance to the gluten in wheat products)
following bowel surgery

Note that cows' milk protein allergy (or intolerance) is often confused with lactose intolerance, and they are thought by many people to be the same thing. This confusion probably arises because cows' milk protein and lactose are both in the same food, ie dairy products. Also contributing to this confusion is the fact that allergy or intolerance to this protein can be a cause of secondary lactose intolerance, so they may be present together.

Secondary lactose intolerance is a temporary state as long as the gut damage can heal. When the cause of the damage to the gut is removed, for example the food to which a baby is allergic is taken out of the diet, the gut will heal even if the baby is still fed breastmilk. If your doctor does diagnose 'lactose intolerance' you need to know that this is not harmful to your baby as long as she is otherwise well and growing normally.

Occasionally it is considered preferable to reduce the immediate symptoms, by reducing the amount of lactose in the diet for a time, particularly if the baby has been losing weight. In this case, it may be suggested that the mother alternate breastfeeding and feeding the baby with a lactose-free artificial baby milk. Sensitivity of the baby to foreign protein (cow or soy) should be considered before introduction to artificial baby milk, as types other than the truly hypoallergenic ones may make the problem worse. Although commonly advised, there is no good evidence to support taking the baby off the breast altogether. In the case of a baby recovering from severe gastroenteritis, average recovery time for the gut is four weeks, but may be up to eight weeks for a young baby under three months. For older babies, over about 18 months, recovery may be as rapid as one week.

When even partially taking the baby off the breast temporarily is being considered, thought should also be given to other aspects of the breastfeeding relationship. These include:
How will alternative feeding methods affect this baby? Could it result in breast refusal later?
How easily will the mother be able to express her milk to maintain her supply?

A mother needs to be aware of exactly what is happening, and understand that this episode need not undermine her confidence in breastfeeding. Her breastmilk is still the normal and proper food for her baby in the long term.

You may have heard about giving 'Lactaid' drops to babies who have symptoms of lactose intolerance. There is no proof that these are of any value used this way. These drops do contain the enzyme, lactase, but need to be put into expressed breastmilk and left overnight for the enzyme to digest the lactose in the milk. In practice they are rarely useful for babies.

And so on...........

It drives me nuts that medical professionals don't know the difference between Lactose Intolerance and Cows Milk Protien Intolerance/Allergy. There is no need to stop breastfeeding, soya formula is far from safe and healthy, and the baby will often be intolerant to the soya protiens any way. Why do people always think that some kind of formula is the answer?

Monkies

littlekat · 17/03/2009 23:11

I am new to this, but am looking for some help with my 19 wk old baby. So far. things have not been good. The main issue used to be his feeding. From a couple of weeks old he screamed during every feed, not long into his bottle, therefore rarely taking even half a bottle. This has improved in the last couple of weeks as I began to feed straight from naps so he wasn't fully awake and threfore more settled. He is also on Cow & Gate Comfort to help settle him. However, he remians VERY unsettled, crying and whinging most of day (despite having a dummy, walks, rocking,plenty of love and smiles from me and hubby), very sick (even throwing up solids-went through 4 outfits today as they were all soaking!)and an unexplained eczxema type rash. The doctors have been unhelpful, one stating we have a 'grumpy' baby. The HV states he has reflux, but then today said he may be lactose intolerant. We are so stuck and just want to help him out of this rotten time. Every eve we sit and discuss how we can move forward and start to enjoy being new parents but everyday, no matter how positive I am, the day always ends up the same with him crying all day, not napping and me collapsing by his bedtime! People say he seems frustrated and 'wants to be off' but his cry to me seems like he is in pain or angry-call it mum's intuition. I hate taking him out in public as I worry waht he will be like and generally feel like I can't cope! Can anyone help please?

jonesy231 · 30/03/2009 21:01

Hello
It sounds like you are living my life!! I have a 11wk old and am having exactly the same problems. The only bottle he takes without any problems is the one in the middle of the night. The afternoon feeds onwards are the worst. I have been to my HV who started off with saying he "has a wind problem" - I told her I disagree, they have now gone down the reflux route and have put him on Infant Gaviscon alongside easy digest Aptamil. He is slightly better, not screaming as much during a feed, however, he still is really aggitated flinging his arms and legs around during and after feeds. Also, he now has constipation, not sure if this is because of his milk change or the Gaviscon, poor little man his cry is obvious a painful one. I am going back to the doctors on Wednesday to insist they check to see if he has a lactose intolerance (if only to rule it out). We have to stand up to these medics, they try to fob people off in my opinion and make out we are being neurotic, when we know there is obviously something wrong and anoyingly in most cases it could quite easily be fixed. By the way, please don't feel as if you can't go out, in my experience when people hear a new born baby cry they generally don't mind so much, its a bit different from it being a naughty toddler.

tatt · 31/03/2009 08:50

If you have a baby with a lot of discomfort on either breast milk or formula try giving them colief to see if it helps. If it does then they have a problem with lactose. For most that will be "temporary" although "temporary" lactose intolerance can last for years. My husband's temporary intolerance lasted until we gave him lactase (which is in colief)!

Very few people are incapable of producing any lactase but having too little to cope with large amounts of milk seems to be far more common than most gps realise.

If colief doesn't help the next step is to try something like nutramagen - not soy because its highly allergenic and linked to nut allergy. If Colief helps Pepti Junior will probably be OK.

Problems with milk are often outgrown by 2 or 3. My friend's child has suddenly outgrown his around age 5. It's easier to deal with this knowing it isn't likely to last for life.

Academicmum · 01/04/2009 13:46

She is unlikely to be lactose intolerant as lactose is milk sugar which is also present in breastmilk. The doctor may suspect cows milk allergy but this is something completely different (and a whole lot more serious). Don't give soy though, ask for a hypoallergenic formula on prescription (pepti, nutramigen, neocate). Soy is really not very healthy for them and is only usually given as a last resort...

Academicmum · 01/04/2009 14:12

Sorry, just realised that Greenmonkies has posted a whole load of stuff explaining the difference between cows milk protein allery and lactose intolerance. That'll teach me to read the whole thread first

williamsmummy · 01/04/2009 17:34

if def a intolerance problem, the higher protein changed cows milk formula would be better. it wont help gut recover straight away. can take 6 weeks to show some sign of improvement on allergy type milk.
if gut severe you might want to ask for a cows milk formula that has completly changed protein for a while, then try the partially changed.

pain increases during night , as gut stretched as laying down, and also has spent the whole day trying to digest something they cant.

being propped up a little in bed might help.

hope this helps.

lilapple · 12/04/2009 23:27

If you suspect lactose intolerance, try SMA LF. You can buy it at the chemist and it can be prescribed by your GP too. It changed our lives. Poor DS was suffering from birth until we started SMA LF at 3 weeks and as soon as he was onto it, he became a happy, peaceful baby (previously screamed day and night, arched back, farted stinkily and very explosive diahhroea).

mgray81uk · 14/04/2009 11:04

Hi, I have started a new group which is for parents dealing with allergies, Reflux, colic and skin problems. Soya is now not reccomended by the NHS. Gp still prescribe it and you can buy it over the counter. Mad I know but from a hospital point of view it is not to be used. Nutramigen or Pepti Junior is istead. or LF if lactose is the culprit. We have a article about this on the site. I have myself personally gone through this too. as has a another mentor member Kirrsty on the site.

I read your post and think it may be of interest to you to have a look and hopefully join. It is a new site and open to make better so any input you have on the site will help others too. We have a few memtor members who are ready to help you settle in and welcome you and have files and links to intresting topics and items.

It has a recipe page where we can upload great things we have tried and the more people we encourage to use the site the better it will become. It has links to helpful article and items that we found good too.

I hope this is of some use to you please use this link and to join click on the purple button and I will aprove you membership when I get it through.

Hope to speak soon Michelle
groups.yahoo.com/group/reflux-baby-you-are-not-alone/

Kitcat66 · 30/01/2018 06:17

Me bd is 11 weels old has begain to cry stiffen herself and is taken only 2oz of milk from 4oz but isn't losing weight don't know if it affects off needles or something else can anyone help

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