Turning WiFi off at night..

[Kelwar]

Hi all, I’m interested to get some feedback on what people think of WiFi really affecting people's health or wether it’s all in their head.. I have neighbours who are requesting we turn our WiFi off at night as none of them are sleeping and now they are all sleeping on floors (kids too) in rooms away from our house.. I’ve read lots of Fors and againsts and so far have not found any scientific proof that WiFi is really causing issues for people, that said, I don’t want people to not be sleeping (especially kids) because of something I am doing wrong.. which is basically what I’ve been told ..My family (children too) all sleep fine.. what do you think?

Just do it for a week, without telling them. When they ask again say you're disappointed it hasn't helped and put it back on again.

Re "You wouldn't just have to turn off the router, but also any device that tries to connect (eg modern TVs) - since they also generate the RF signals. Also wireless phones, baby monitors, wireless CCTV cameras." Correct. Those of us who turn off our wifi routers at night also turn these off too.

For those who think the risks of wiki radiation are "all in the head", you should look at this study:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300367?via%3Dihub
Do you also believe that the rats who got tumours from the radio frequency radiation were making up stuff in their heads?

For those who argue, "We are surrounded by various sources of such radiation all the time and thus shouldn't worry about our wifi", this is similar to arguing that because we are exposed to various carcinogens as part of everyday life (including pesticides, car exhaust, etc), we should feel free to smoke a few dozen cigarettes per day too. It's just silly. There are machines you can buy that measure the radio frequency radiation in various locations in your house and compare what's measured to the "official" safety limits. We've had this done by a specialist company and I can tell you that switching on the wifi does create a measurable effect and our cordless phone was producing enough radiation to bring up a reading of "moderate" risk. That's according to the official safety limits, I emphasise.

I use wifi more than most, for my work, but I also take the precaution of turning it off at night and when we are not using it.

should be "wifi" radiation not "wiki". darn auto spell check.

Yes we have had ours measured too, it was well below even moderately dangerous, in fact our reading was exactly the same as standing in the middle of our local park!!

There were also studies carried out with a group of people who believed they were susceptible to WiFi exposure, proclaiming it’s caused nauseac headaches and all sorts of ailments, so they were exposed (under study) to WiFi being switched on and off at intermittent times, not one of them could pinpoint at which exact point WiFi had been switched on! Even the WHO have suggested that people who believe they are being affected by electromagnets might want to check out the mental health. Honestly, I’ve studied this and read so much about it over the last week or so.. symptoms are real don’t get me wrong, but anxiety plays a huge part in the belief that WiFi makes you ill. If you believe in it enough, it will happen...

@Kelwar, yes, but this doesn't account for the (real) effects found in rats. Ultimately you don't have to "believe" that cigarettes can cause cancer, for them to do so. Obviously.

@SheeshazAZ09

Thanks you for that link. Very interesting read (and not the first time I’ve read someth8ng like this)

Absolutely, but that is a proven fact within humans...

@SheeshazAZ09 cellular radiation from phone masts and WiFi are not in the same radiation frequency, so be careful in your comparisons - that's very misleading.

It's like suggesting the harm from gamma radiation is the same as an FM radio signal. Not comparable in a throwaway comment.

@butteryellow yes, we're pretty screwed in Cornwall or the north of Scotland with the granite.

The science does not yet bear out the panic. When it does, I'll hold my hands up and maybe understand where my migraines come from....

.... except they predate the existence of the Internet in people's homes in any format by at least 8 years.

There is no evidence whatever of risk from EM signals within the ranges used in general distribution by commercial applications. Not mobile signals, not power lines, not wifi/WLANs.

Warnings are all bullshit. As is the ‘evidence’ thrown about of rats brains etc.

Change your WiFi network name and tell them you've done it. Dare ya. See what they say.

In the same token, my 17 year old cat has also been exposed to the electromagnets my WiFi is kicking out...

Try it before you knock it. I recently set up ours on the timer to go off between 11pm and 7am and my 4 year old child who has not slept since he was born now sleeps solidly until 7am as opposed to multiple wakings and up at 5-5.30. . I also have noticed I sleep much better. DH unplugged the timer over the weekend and I wondered why DS and I had crap sleep for 2 nights 🤷‍♀️

In parts of Europe WiFi is now completely banned in schools due to the negative affect on children in particular so there must be something to it.

Thank you motorcyclemayhem..

@SheeshazAZ09 the paper you link to reports several results, only one of which is statistically significant. but they didn't correct for multiple comparisons, which means that it is not clear that the results are valid.

in simple terms - the statistics are not trustworthy.

so don't believe it yet.

Millionaireshortie - we all sleep brilliantly in my house.. my 5 and 12 year old included... be careful putting this sort of stuff on to your children too.. somebody suggested this was absolutely a safeguarding issue with Regard to my neighbours children because they were making their children paranoid, sleeping them on floors etc

I don't think they have the right to dictate. If i wanted to be free if Wi-Fi then I would move somewhere isolated. I wouldn't lie OP. Just tell the truth, that your husband needs the wifi connected late at night for work.

Change the settings on your router to make your WiFi undiscoverable. Tell the neighbours you’ve turned it off.

@MotorcycleMayhem, the scientists interviewed here say the study I cited is relevant to wifi radiation, eg in schools (so that also means in homes):
ehtrust.org/worlds-largest-animal-study-on-cell-tower-radiation-confirms-cancer-link/
“This study raises concerns that simply living close to a cell tower will pose threats to human health. Governments need to take measures to reduce exposures from cell tower emissions. Cell towers should not be near schools, hospitals or people’s homes. Public health agencies need to educate the public on how to reduce exposure from all sources of wireless radiofrequency radiation—be it from cell towers or cell phones or Wi-Fi in schools,” stated David O. Carpenter MD, former Dean of the School of Public Health at the University at Albany.

Send them an email, WhatsApp, SMS, Messenger and any other platform link to:

www.ehow.com/how_2049858_make-tinfoil-hat.html

@parietal, the Ramazzini Institute has done studies that have led to the World Health Organisation cancer agency IARC classifying certain substances/agents as carcinogenic (or not). On balance I'd rather believe them. No offence...
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935118300367?via%3Dihub

The water in the stream interacts with the water in their bodies???
Ask what happens to them at full moon, pleeeeeease.

The Ramazzini Institute is widely regarded as a joke in the scientific world. Their 'purpose ' is to investigate causes of cancer and strangely every single thing they investigate turns out to cause cancer. Their results are generally not replicated by other people. They're the Daily Express of the scientific world.

Quote on the Ramazzini Institute by the FDA and EFSA: 'It has been well documented that the results from studies by this laboratory are not valid.'

@millionaireshortie that’s interesting. I’d certainly be interested to know which parts of Europe have banned WiFi in schools and the source for that info.

Your neighbours are representative of the cranks who believe this stuff. Ignore them.

Why has nobody ever managed to trigger alarmism about the signals used for broadcasting? After all, so the ‘argument’ goes, there is risk from some radiation, so why not all of it? Because communications radiation - and power line EMR - is well researched and is safe.