prob wriong place but whats the different between cows milk and goats milk?

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I really should stop putting my whole post in the title lol!

desiderata, that simply isnt true.
Goats milk was traditionally the milk of choice for babies.

Allergy to cows milk has been documented in my family since the mid 19th century. Cows milk was known in Elizabethan times in Britain to be a difficult food, and Pliny refers to problems with cows milk.

Wow! You learn something new everyday!

anyway even when drinking cows milk it may not have been friesan cows milk (which it is now unless you go out of your way to avoid it). Guernsey cows milk is high in same protein as goats.

see here.

We switched ds3 to goats milk because of his high autism risk, and it was like the lights went on. Big difference.

gess, I could also say for me, that the lights went on when I stopped having cows milk. my head felt like cotton wool before, I couldnt think straight, or concentrate.

MrsCarrot, farmers don't make money from milk any more, and the mmb was scrapped over 10 years ago.

I thought the Chinese did live longer because they eat a lot of rice and fish and we eat a terrible diet here.

British babies in the 1600s were sometimes on all kinds of stuff that often killed them so I don't think the historical position really helps except that breast has always been best. Goats milk is made for goats and cow's milk for cows. I suspect we can all live very healthily without any milk at all.

Oh that's interesting nightynight. You might benefit from going gluten free as well then (look up opioids & gluten).

Yes, cadelaide, I was wrong, they were abolished in 1994, but is The Milk Development Council, backers of 'The white Stuff' campaign not the equivalent?

Also, the legacy of a pint of milk a day for everyone, particularly under fives, persists do you not think?

It's that point that I think needs to be addressed. I'm not trying to put people off milk if there are no health problems, but I think it's unfair if people are not given the support to drop dairy foods, if they have symptoms which might benefit from it, and they are informed enough to make sure the diet isn't lacking in nutrients. It seems to be ingrained in people that they might be depriving their child if they don't have milk.

Are the Dairy framers losing their EU subsidies then, I thought these were substantial?

Farmers!

The UK dairy industry is supported and promoted by the Milk Development Council (MDC), the Dairy Council and Dairy UK.

The MDC is a public body established in 1994 (replacing the Milk Marketing Board) with the aim of

?improving the profitability and competitiveness of Great Britain's dairy farmer? (15). It is situated within the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) and its council members are appointed by DEFRA Ministers (15). Their annual income of £7 million comes from a statutory levy paid by dairy farmers on their milk sales (15). They also receive regular funding from the EU, including £3 million in 2004 for their ?Naturally Beautiful? advertising campaign which encourages teenage girls to consume more dairy products for their claim of better looking hair and skin (15). In 2005 they plan to spend £4.7 million marketing dairy products in the UK.

The Dairy Council is a limited company funded jointly by the MDC and dairy processors. Their mission statement is:

?To promote the positive image of milk, its products and the industry as a whole in the eyes of consumers and key influencers, thus helping to increase the consumption of dairy products.? (16)

They work to achieve this goal by distributing ?health education, consumer and teaching literature about dairy products? (16). In 2004 they received £305,527 in EU funding under the Common Agricultural Policy (16).

Dairy UK is a limited company which brings together ?dairy processors, farming representatives, co-ops and bottle milk buyers to form an organisation that embraces and gives full priority to the views and opinions of all those involved the industry? (17). Dairy UK staff operate throughout the UK to

?ensure the interests of the dairy sector are properly considered in the policy formulation process by the UK government, devolved administrations and the EU? (17).

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Sorry, have gone a bit off track from the difference between goat's and cow's milk, but the point is that it's still promoted as a health food, when for some it clearly isn't, and as for promoting it's benefits for skin?

It's hugely healthier though than most products advertised on TV like coco pops. I'd far rather the children were indoctrinated about milk than Frosties.

me too!!! You can get cows milk without lactose in (or greatly reduced). I use it for cereal and cooking and it is actually really quite nice, it's called lactofree and is in the fresh milk section of the supermarket.

Without milk i don't think either of my boys would get enpugh calcium. DS2 doesn't eat much cheese. He will happily lick it though . We have noticed a difference already actually, altho of course that could be coincidence.

Dp has had lactofree in the past ginger and decided he would rather suck his toes

Xenia, i know cows milk is for cows, goats milk for goats but they really would not get enough calcium without milk. I wouldn't feel comfortable expressing (or even breastfeeding) a 2 and 4 year old. Despite the fact that i stopped producing milk aaaaages ago!

Disclaimner.....Just my feelings, this is NOT a dig at extended breastfeeders.

its possible to get enough calcium without dairy but pretty difficult unless you eat fish with bones. I've read that the body gets more efficient at using it but I'd still worry about osetoporosis if mine didn't at least eat cheese. Worth trying any or all of probiotics, lactase and goats milk before going milk free.

MofM, I am a big full fat milk fiend (well, I was, and I sometimes have a sneaky pint just to make me well and truly ill!). I don't think lactofree is that bad - it tastes like milk, as long as you get the fresh one and not the UHT (that is truly awful!). It's soya that upsets me the most, I try to like it but if it requires so much work I don't think it can be any good!!!! I suppose I could get used to eating poo if I had no choice, but that doesn't mean I want to, LOL!!!!

gm-i dont like the soya one much either.i keep trying to become vegan but am rubbish as dont like the stuff!

LOL!

I probably wouldn't take my children off dairy either if they refused anything containing calcium.

However, my DD, now five, point blank refused to drink milk, any kind of milk, after I stopped bf at a year. I had to find other things, fishcakes with mashed bones, fortified foods, green veg, sesame seeds etc.

As revolting as Frosties are, I'd prefer my child to eat those with a substitute, than a healthy cereal with milk if it was causing their allergies.

Parents should have support to find alternatives if their children are suffering allergy related symptoms, rather than being made to feel they are irresponsibly depriving them of a food group, which tends to be the attitude in this country partly due to milk marketing.

loads of every day food has calcium in it so we don't need dairy to get it if our diet is varied, and osteoporosis is lower in cultures that avoid dairy than it is in theUK where we drink dairy, because where it is avoided diet compensates and makes up the calcium intake

as per "What should I feed by baby?" by Olivier pg68-69
" Non Dairy sources of calcium:
(recommended calcioum for a small child is 350-450mg daily
canned sardines 1 sm can 400mg
enriched flour 4oz 200mg
canned pink salmon 1sm can 150mg
tofu (calcium enriched) 4oz 150mg
enriched soya milk 100ml 140mg
spinich (cooked) 75mg
broccoli 3oz 75mg
almonds
soya beans (cooked)
Orange 1 medium 50mg
Kidney Beans (cooked)
Blackberries
Leeks
Carrot
dates and Raisins
Egg 1 lg 25mg
Wholewheat Bread 1slice 25mg
peanut butter
apple
green beans
kiwi fruit 1 OF 20MG
sunflower seeds
pumpkin seeds
lentils (cooked)
Cauliflower
Pear
cantaloupe 4oz 10mg"

Wow! I never knew calcium was in so many diverse foodstuffs. Just as well, as I gather it is calcium that is the key ingredient where dairy products are seen to help with weight loss and combatting PMT. (To get completely off the thread!)

ds2 won't touch ANY of the things on that list! aside from wholemeal bread and a few raisins!!

I didn't know there was calcium in all those things either lol!

Hmm, to be fair to cow's milk, the stuff you get in supermarkets is so bastardised it's no wonder it a) tastes like crap and b) makes people ill.

It's pasteurised, which kills anything likely to help you digest it, and then to get rid of the unappealing appearance of the pasteurised milk and make the handling and storage of the stuff easier, the fat is taken out, homogenised (bashed up small so it'll float throughout the milk rather than at the top) and then standardised - the right amount of fat is put back in to make it skimmed, semi etc.

I had a lot of problems disgesting shop bought cow's milk and switched to raw - problems vanished overnight, I can happily drink a glass of the stuff with relish and no nausea which I've NEVER done - I had to be forced to drink milk as a child. I know many people who's children's health problems have cleared up when they switch to raw.

Trust me, evil farmers are not benefitting from brainwashing you - in fact the current 2p per litre price cut has some literally in tears and will finish yet more off. The fact is, cows would not be a worldwide species with a history of domestication stretching back thousands of years if milk wasn't beneficial. many cultures depend on milk, and are far healthier than in cultures without. It's what we do to it that makes it so bad. (allergies excepted! but some people being allergic to nuts doesn't wipe out the benefits to the majority!)