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Fear of alcohol

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ECPCR2 · 20/10/2024 00:41

I don't know if this is the right area but hoping someone might be able to understand, help or even just listen.

Growing up, my DF was an alcoholic. Mostly functional but lived abroad so don't know how much it impacted him in detail. But visits over with my DB to stay with him (parents divorced, so just the two of us flying solo from around age 11 and 9) would always involve a number of nights where he'd been totally incapacitated and got to the stage of having him describe his suicide plans. Utterly terrifying for a young teen with no other adult nearby, and has totally fucked up my relationship with alcohol (and life as a whole to an extent).

After one particularly horrific evening listening to his depressed, drunk monologues I left his flat early in the morning and basically just hid away from him. Can't remember if I left a note, or even if I took my phone, but when I had decided to walk back a few hours later I did bump into him looking for me. He was clearly terrified himself. And since then, about 20 years on, he's been sober. I'm immensely proud of him for doing that. But for over a decade I still feared daily for his life and that he'd fall off the wagon. He's much more settled now in life generally, back in the UK, and I don't think he's depressed anymore. But occasionally when things get stressful he mentions "going back to drinking" and I freeze, and go back to that young girl and find it hard to breathe.

But this isn't meant to be about him - it's just the context.

DH and I have been married 6 years, together 9. He knew from fairly early on about dad's history with alcohol and that that was why I don't drink. Always very sympathetic and so drinking has never been a part of our relationship. He himself does really enjoy certain drinks - whisky and real ale mostly - but doesn't drink at home much, and we don't go out often (two young kids, but even before then it wasn't our style).

I've probably only seen him drunk a handful of times our whole relationship, but it utterly destroys me. I flit between being terrified, furious, anxious, numb - a childhood of trauma all re-lived when that slight glassy eyed look appears. The most recent time was the worst. Travelled to a whisky festival with his friend and came back so completely pissed that he couldn't focus either his eyes or his words, was stumbling around and eventually it transpired he'd vomited on himself on the train back. I couldn't bare to look at him so kicked him out to the lounge, and he spent the entire night and a lot of the morning vomiting. He did feel awful (not just the hangover!) and embarrassed, ashamed, everything. I had a very clear conversation with him that should anything even close to that happen again it would be over - I cannot have my children grow up with the same fears as I did, and I cannot parent them if I'm living feeling like that again.

And he's barely gone out since. Still has maybe a small glass of whisky once a week, a wine with dinner if at his parents, or a couple of pints of we're out with friends. He has a subscription of alcohol free beers which he enjoys almost as much as the real stuff.

But... Every time he does drink I'm scared. Even when it's at home and I can see it's not much. I wonder if I've missed him having one already. I worry what he's thinking about - is he planning his own death? Is he thinking he doesn't love his children enough to promise he won't drive off a cliff? Is he angry at the life he's living?

Today we went out with a group and he had a couple of pints. I then went home with the kids and he carried on to town with the group. He really wasn't out long, and is home safe, but I'm scared - how much has he drunk? Is he going to be sick? (I'm also fairly emetophobic so double the anxiety for this bit!) Does he resent me for not going out too, or for stiffling his fun if he did want to drink more but knows how I feel about it? If the kids needed something in the night, could he help? Is he going to say something that will play on repeat in my head forever more?

I don't want to ask him not to drink. I don't want to ask him not to go out with friends. But I can't carry on like this, however infrequent it happens. I'm exhausted tonight as was travelling for work, but I can't sleep for fear of him being sick or doing something stupid. I don't even think he's drunk, but I just don't know - people can hide it and it just comes out out of nowhere. I'm already on sertraline for depression (originally stemmed from those childhood experiences), and have tried CBT in the past for anxiety, but not necessarily connected to exactly this situation. But think I've used up my IAPT entitlements unless they get refreshed.

I don't expect anyone to read this all. It's been far longer than I thought, but incredibly cathartic at least.

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ParentToAngelsAndOneOnTheWay · 20/10/2024 01:08

I completely get where you're coming from is there any way that he could stay somewhere else when he's had a few to drink so it's a fair compromise he still gets to enjoy seeing his friends and you don't have do be around him when he's drunk

username3678 · 20/10/2024 01:16

You're clearly suffering from childhood trauma. Have you ever researched CPTSD? I suggest you get some trauma based therapy.
You could try BACP for a therapist.

ECPCR2 · 20/10/2024 01:16

ParentToAngelsAndOneOnTheWay · 20/10/2024 01:08

I completely get where you're coming from is there any way that he could stay somewhere else when he's had a few to drink so it's a fair compromise he still gets to enjoy seeing his friends and you don't have do be around him when he's drunk

That's for taking the time to reply.

He could have gone back and stayed with his sister, who he was out with too, but I think I'd then be even more anxious and fearful not knowing if he'd stopped.

It's this particular group of friends that all focus on drinking (not many of them have kids) but they're his only proper mates nearby. So I can't even try and engineer him seeing other people instead to see if that made a difference to how I reacted. I'd definitely not be able to relax if he was staying over with one of the guys. I have no reason to think they're heavy drinkers at home, but my brain just recreates an evening spent sitting in a room with DF and his mate, both equally pissed, and having to go and hide in the bathroom to cry

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Councilhousecheekbones · 20/10/2024 01:17

Alcoholism is an awful, catastrophic illness.

It is totally understandable that you fear that your dad will start drinking again, but it sounds like he could get sober again if that happens.

I completely understand your feelings about your husband.

I'm a recovering alcoholic myself and know how dangerous this venom is Flowers

ECPCR2 · 20/10/2024 01:19

username3678 · 20/10/2024 01:16

You're clearly suffering from childhood trauma. Have you ever researched CPTSD? I suggest you get some trauma based therapy.
You could try BACP for a therapist.

I've never thought of it as CPTSD - I've accepted it as horrific, and all counselling/therapy I have had has often circled around those experiences, but none of the therapists were specialists in childhood issues. Thanks for the suggestion - I'll look into it

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username3678 · 20/10/2024 01:20

ECPCR2 · 20/10/2024 01:19

I've never thought of it as CPTSD - I've accepted it as horrific, and all counselling/therapy I have had has often circled around those experiences, but none of the therapists were specialists in childhood issues. Thanks for the suggestion - I'll look into it

No problem. If it resonates there's a very good book called CPTSD From surviving to thriving by Pete Walker you might find useful.

ParentToAngelsAndOneOnTheWay · 20/10/2024 01:24

ECPCR2 · 20/10/2024 01:16

That's for taking the time to reply.

He could have gone back and stayed with his sister, who he was out with too, but I think I'd then be even more anxious and fearful not knowing if he'd stopped.

It's this particular group of friends that all focus on drinking (not many of them have kids) but they're his only proper mates nearby. So I can't even try and engineer him seeing other people instead to see if that made a difference to how I reacted. I'd definitely not be able to relax if he was staying over with one of the guys. I have no reason to think they're heavy drinkers at home, but my brain just recreates an evening spent sitting in a room with DF and his mate, both equally pissed, and having to go and hide in the bathroom to cry

That's completely understandable and I noticed that someone else on here mentioned cptsd to you and I was about to say that as well. It's incredibly challenging to live with trauma so hats off to you for still getting up everyday and fighting through your demons. I wish I was able to give a better solution but it's a very complex situation but am sending you best wishes that you get the support you need for your trauma and you and hubby find a solution for this that works for you both x

OnSecondThoughts · 20/10/2024 01:32

Seems to me that there's sort of two issues going on here. First, your DH and what he drinks/how often/how much (leaving to one side your own early experiences just for the moment. ) It may be a bit unfair of you to ask him not to drink any alc at all, ever, but it is perfectly reasonable for you to insist that he doesn't get totally drunk so that he's falling around and being sick etc. Especially with two young kids around, he should be totally limiting his alc so that he is always in control and alert around them.
And second, even if there were no kids, he should be limiting his drinks out of respect for you, because of your traumatic memories and reactions. Although like I said it may be a bit too much to ask him not to drink at all. Hope you manage to work it out.

ECPCR2 · 20/10/2024 01:44

Councilhousecheekbones · 20/10/2024 01:17

Alcoholism is an awful, catastrophic illness.

It is totally understandable that you fear that your dad will start drinking again, but it sounds like he could get sober again if that happens.

I completely understand your feelings about your husband.

I'm a recovering alcoholic myself and know how dangerous this venom is Flowers

Thank you. It seems a lifetime ago him stopping, and he still marks off the weeks, so I don't think he has got to a place where he doesn't think about it still. I just could not go though seeing him do it again... He's said about staying many times over the years and hasn't, so I hope it's just a phrase. I have said it's horrible to hear though and asked him not to

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ECPCR2 · 20/10/2024 01:50

OnSecondThoughts · 20/10/2024 01:32

Seems to me that there's sort of two issues going on here. First, your DH and what he drinks/how often/how much (leaving to one side your own early experiences just for the moment. ) It may be a bit unfair of you to ask him not to drink any alc at all, ever, but it is perfectly reasonable for you to insist that he doesn't get totally drunk so that he's falling around and being sick etc. Especially with two young kids around, he should be totally limiting his alc so that he is always in control and alert around them.
And second, even if there were no kids, he should be limiting his drinks out of respect for you, because of your traumatic memories and reactions. Although like I said it may be a bit too much to ask him not to drink at all. Hope you manage to work it out.

He would definitely never go out with the intention of getting wasted, or even just drunk. He fully acknowledges he can't keep up with his friend anymore, and doesn't even want to, but I know he can get drawn in, especially if they're buying rounds.

I also know he would never want to risk putting the children in harm's way. They're high energy so even just a headache from the night before isn't something he'd want to go through!

It is just my anxiety, maybe even paranoia, that projects these potential situations. I'll have to try and talk to him about it tomorrow/today. I'm with you that asking him to stop entirely isn't fair. Even though I know that's what would help me the most (but I'd still be scared and time he went out or saw friends just in case he had something)

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ThatsNotMyTeen · 20/10/2024 08:11

You know what I think your reaction to him being drunk is fine actually. When you think about it, it’s an utterly insane state for someone to get into and unbelievable it’s been so normalised.

Your spiralling thoughts though when he has 1 or 2 sound more like anxiety and it may be worth a chat with the GP

ECPCR2 · 20/10/2024 10:58

ThatsNotMyTeen · 20/10/2024 08:11

You know what I think your reaction to him being drunk is fine actually. When you think about it, it’s an utterly insane state for someone to get into and unbelievable it’s been so normalised.

Your spiralling thoughts though when he has 1 or 2 sound more like anxiety and it may be worth a chat with the GP

It is scary how acceptable some people feel it is being absolutely incapacitated by alcohol. But yes - the anxiety spiral isn't a reasonable response to low level drinking. I'll definitely reach out to my GP again to see about maybe upping my medication again

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