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If you've cut out or massively cut back drinking, how do you socialise with friends who haven't?

15 replies

Badgergrey · 02/05/2020 08:45

For various reasons, I've just about stopped drinking and feel so much better for it.

But, DH and I have very dear friends of many years who we've gone through life with around a lot of alcohol - boozy dinner parties, holidays etc. It's been fun and we don't want to lose them as friends, they are like family you'd choose.

But, they've remained heavy drinkers (the wife really has a drink dependency, although she wouldn't see it like that) and I'm struggling to avoid situations that revolve around booze while still maintaining our friendship.

Any advice? What has worked for you?

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iamyourequal · 02/05/2020 20:25

Hi Badgergrey well done giving up. What do you feel is the problem that you are trying to avoid in meeting these friends? Are you tempted when in the company of drinkers? Or does their company bore you as they start getting drunk? Or do you worry you won’t be able to connect with them or won’t be any fun to be with sober? Annie Grace has quite a few podcasts on this type of problem, which might be helpful. Have you actually met them since going sober? If may be they have an awareness themselves that they drink a bit too heavily and your change could be a positive influence on them.

UntamedWisteria · 02/05/2020 20:26

I refuse to see any of DH's heavy drinking friends and feel much better for it.

UntamedWisteria · 02/05/2020 20:27

And I cut another alcoholic friend out of my life about 15 years ago, also a very good decision.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 02/05/2020 20:32

Sorry no help but I've had to stop seeing our drinking friends unless it's for something non drinking (so not often)
Problem is my not drinking highlights their excess and makes it uncomfortable for everyone. Also sitting a talking for hours about nothing /the same conversation on repeat for hours is boring.
We do still make the effort but it's not the same friendship it was when I was drinking but I'm so much happier for not drinking.

Northernsoullover · 02/05/2020 20:34

My friends are all huge drinkers as I was. I will still socialise but if it involves food. I leave when they start getting lairy.

Spaghetti123 · 02/05/2020 20:35

This is the perfect opportunity. We drank less/stopped drinking during lockdown and felt so much better/saved money/look younger/have more energy/sleep better

And more reasons.

Flupibass · 02/05/2020 20:44

I haven’t stopped drinking completely but I drink very little. It is slightly awkward when meeting friends who I traditionally would have had a few drinks with because they think you’re not joining in with them. My only tip is to make your drink last a long time and be in charge of refills - give yourself tiny top ups or watery top ups and hope they don’t notice! It’s about not wanting to change how your friendship works. I try to play it down.

Badgergrey · 02/05/2020 23:47

Thanks for all the replies. I'll look out that podcast.
Like @Flupibass I haven't given up completely, but as I feel so much better not drinking, it's now very little and very infrequently.
I don't want to appear judgemental with these friends, but, yes, it is boring when their evening revolves around drink and that doesn't suit me any more.
I am trying to suggest meeting for brunch (in normal times) rather than in the evening but it started becoming a bit obvious.

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LouLouLoo · 03/05/2020 00:01

I gave up alcohol but am very fortunate that my close friends also no longer drink very much, one by choice but the others for health reasons.

Outside of that group I do still socialise on occasion with people that drink a lot, but to be perfectly honest, I really don't enjoy it that much. By in large, drunk people are very tedious when you're sober. It was actually being around someone that had alcohol dependency (not that they would acknowledge it) that led me to quit.

I don't really talk about not drinking, if I'm out I'll make one drink last a long time. If it's my round I'll get an orange juice or tonic water and nobody questions it, they probably just assume there's vodka in there too!

JessicaDay · 03/05/2020 00:24

I don’t drink much now for various health reasons, no alcohol issues or anything, just feel better not doing it. Been like that for about six or seven years now.

At first I just went out with friends as usual, but it gets a bit boring seeing other people very drunk when you’re sober. I think it’s a dampener in both sides tbh.

Then I went through an avoiding phase, which was also boring. It just means not seeing people, and they can get a bit hurt by that, as well as you feel a bit isolated.

Then I went through a meet for lunch or cinema and always need to drive back so no drinking. It was ok but a bit stilted.

Now I’m in a phase where I see people a bit less often, but still fairly frequently. Usually time it close to birthdays, anniversaries or holidays so there’s an excuse to make it special. The format has changed. It’s generally something like this:

Meet for a coffee lateish afternoon, good sober chat and catch up.

Go to cinema, gallery, sports event or some other activity that is no or low drinking potential. Oddly enough, the right kind of distillery tour fits the bill on this- you spend a long time going round looking at stuff, with just some samples at the end (which can often be taken away in a driver’s kit).

Go for a drink. Has to be somewhere that is nice- decor or ambiance. Must also serve fairly fancy special drinks with table service or similar, this slows things down a lot. I’ll also be able to get something I’ll enjoy whether or not I have an alcoholic drink at this point. Usually I don’t, two of three times a year I will feel like it. I’ll only have a drink if I feel like it. We discuss the activity earlier, this means there is a relevant recent stimulus to keep the conversation going.

Go for a meal, usually a pizza, keep it fairly simple. I might have a glass of wine or similar with dinner, this might be because I had a drink at the previous stage and am enjoying it, it might be because I see a wine I know I’ll love and really enjoy, even if I didn’t have a drink earlier. This happens twice a year I’d say.

At this point, I might go back to the hotel I’ve booked, having spent a good amount of time with a friend or friends, at this point usually having had 0-2 drinks. If DH is with me, he might continue out for a while longer.

Alternatively, about once a year, I will feel like carrying on. Then it’s on for as many drinks as I fancy, keeping to same level of drinking establishment as before. If possible, switching venues fairly frequently to pop in some non-drinking/walking/fresh air time. This keeps stuff from getting too out of hand.

Then I go back to my hotel. The hotel is key. It means I’m not tied to no drinking as driving home or to staying with someone who wants to stay out/keep drinking. This means I am free to chose what feels right to me spontaneously. It does make a night out more expensive, but as usually I don’t drink I think it evens out. If you live close enough a reliable taxi/lift service would fulfil the same purpose.

I usually try to avoid nights that I know will be very busy- so a Thursday or a Sunday is preferable to a Friday or a Saturday usually. They will be quieter, but not dead. Bit more of an incentive to finish a bit earlier. A Friday or a Saturday between Xmas and New Year is the exception- some people will be out and about but generally they are saving it for Hogmanay/NYE.

I found that walls can go up a bit without either party really meaning it like that. So now I just set things up so I can go with my flow. I don’t mean you should drink to fit in, I just mean “never say never”. I feel like a drink or two about four times a year, I feel like getting really quite merry maybe once. It doesn’t cause me any health effects at that frequency.

Crucially, it has to be spontaneous, I just need to feel like it there and then, because the evening is going well and I am actually enjoying a drink. Sometimes I think I want a glass of wine at dinner and take a sip and know it’s not the evening for me. If so, I just let someone else drink it.

bluebluezoo · 03/05/2020 00:40

Any advice? What has worked for you

The issue I find is while it actually makes very little difference to me- I am fine around drinkers, am happy and still have really good nights out, it’s the drinkers who have a problem with non- drinkers.

The harassment when they realise I’m not drinking, the absolute refusal to accept I can be having a good time socially without alcohol, and the insistence that anyone not drinking is “boring”.

Whether it’s simply a reflection in their need for alcohol and they don’t like the idea that it’s a choice rather than a necessity for fun, but I found the friendships waned fairly quickly. Nights out rapidly became no fun when all anyone went on about is my not drinking, being uptight and depressing. They stopped inviting me as I would be sober and in their minds no fun.

Fwiw a couple of times i pretended to drink and all was normal, so it’s not that i sit judging when i’m sober... they can’t actually tell the difference...

480Widdio · 03/05/2020 00:58

I haven’t had a drink of Alcohol for 17 years.I don’t socialise with people who drink to much,they bore me to tears.

Most of my friends these days are teetotal or drink little.

If I am with people who are getting drunk I leave,I have never found it a problem.I always have an escape plan.

Badgergrey · 03/05/2020 08:18

@bluebluezoo You've hit the nail on the head there, it is the drinkers who have the issue.

Not remaining friends with this couple isn't an option, we have gone through our adult lives together.

But, even though I have told them I have cut right back on alcohol, they still press me to have it because it's embedded in their lives (and to be fair, was in mine too).

They're never rude or mocking, it's just my behaviour has changed, but theirs hasn't and it's certainly not my place to push my choice on them. We used to go over to each others' homes for meals and drinks a lot, but I don't enjoy that any more because it becomes boring as they down the wine and I sit there wanting to go to bed as the evening goes on.

I feel it diminishes our friendship by my having to plan strategies to avoid this - eg brunch rather than lunch or dinner, but I guess that's the way it's going to have to be.

Thanks for everyone's comments.

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OhioOhioOhio · 03/05/2020 08:32

Always take the car.

EIsaCragg · 11/05/2020 22:22

I still go along to drinks and nights out but do not drink alcohol. I usually find that it's the drinkers who have a problem with this. I don't see why I should socialise differently.

I've recently given up drinking for good, and love the feeling of being in control. I know I can drive home whenever I choose, and also feel safe at all times.

I don't have a problem with others drinking, but I choose not to myself. I used to think I would be boring sober, but the opposite is true.

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