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whatcanido54 · 08/04/2023 00:30

Hello,

I've been on here a while, but I've name changed for this.

We had our first child in 2021, and we've been thinking of a second.

I had 3 miscarriages before I had my my son, and I'm just not sure I can go through TTC, early pregnancy, the whole pregnancy and birth again, but I do want a second child.

We've been thinking of adopting our second (we thought about adoring our first, too). I know it's not an easy option, I know an adoptive child potentially comes with trauma and other other issues, but I just wondered if anyone could offer some advice?

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Jellycatspyjamas · 14/04/2023 22:31

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Italiangreyhound · 15/04/2023 00:52

@whatcanido54 I don't know if this helps at all but we have two children, a birth child of 18 and an adopted child of 12. I'm happy to chat if you want to. Adoption has not been easy but I adore both my kids and hope you will get the help and guidance you need.

I'm so sorry to hear about your miscarriages.

whatcanido54 · 15/04/2023 10:06

@Ted27 than you so much for that reassurance, it's very very early days but good point about everyone being new to it once

@tonyhawks23 that was so overly to read 🥰 thank you so much for the info on training as well

@Italiangreyhound thank you very much. I might drop you a PM if that's ok

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whatcanido54 · 15/04/2023 10:16

@BastardChild I was about to ask you your experience of adoption, to see where you points are coming from, but I've just read the thread you posted and it makes me so sad. I'm so sorry you feel that way, it sounds like you've been through a lot with very little support. Please don't feel you have to answer this, but do you think your adoptive parents could have supported you better, and the way you feel now would be different?

I noted your point when you said 'if you can't conceive, IVF didn't work for you, surrogacy is too expensive "have you thought about adoption" better fourth choice than nobodies I suppose' - now I totally get your reaction to my OP, and I'm sorry about how poorly written it was. We did consider adoption before we even started TTC, but I guess naturally decided to go for the 'typical' route. Since then I am now seriously considering it because in my mind our child being genetically related to us is not important, so it doesn't make sense to go down the TTC route (which won't be straight forward for us, and I know adoption isn't either), when there are plenty of children who need loving homes. Again, I realise this is probably hugely naive and that's why I'm trying to do my research now. FWIW, IVF isn't second on our list, it's actually our fourth/not even on the list x

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Italiangreyhound · 15/04/2023 10:22

The thing about first, second and third choices is that things change. I wanted a second child and we tried IVF and IVF with donner eggs. Then we adopted our little boy. That was 9 years ago. If I could swap him, I would not. He is my son. I love him to bits. I know for him the relationship will always be complicated because he has a birth family as well. They did not choose to give him up. They could not look after him. That's part of my story.

chickenlegsbj · 15/04/2023 14:36

Hi I have a birth son and an adopted son. A year apart in age. We adopted just over 8 years ago. Happy to help in any way x

BastardChild · 16/04/2023 21:15

whatcanido54 · 15/04/2023 10:16

@BastardChild I was about to ask you your experience of adoption, to see where you points are coming from, but I've just read the thread you posted and it makes me so sad. I'm so sorry you feel that way, it sounds like you've been through a lot with very little support. Please don't feel you have to answer this, but do you think your adoptive parents could have supported you better, and the way you feel now would be different?

I noted your point when you said 'if you can't conceive, IVF didn't work for you, surrogacy is too expensive "have you thought about adoption" better fourth choice than nobodies I suppose' - now I totally get your reaction to my OP, and I'm sorry about how poorly written it was. We did consider adoption before we even started TTC, but I guess naturally decided to go for the 'typical' route. Since then I am now seriously considering it because in my mind our child being genetically related to us is not important, so it doesn't make sense to go down the TTC route (which won't be straight forward for us, and I know adoption isn't either), when there are plenty of children who need loving homes. Again, I realise this is probably hugely naive and that's why I'm trying to do my research now. FWIW, IVF isn't second on our list, it's actually our fourth/not even on the list x

Yep. Ultimately, they've let me down, as I was the panacea for their inability to conceive. This hurts all of us beyond belief.

Their inability to step up and support the journey to find out what my roots are kills me now, over twenty years later. Adoption is trauma, any use of adoption to form any sort of family is going to cause problems.

BastardChild · 17/04/2023 08:51

Thanks for being so kind. I really don't mean to cause distress, it just comes out this way.

Cookie1986 · 17/04/2023 09:48

@ Bastard child

I am sorry that happened to you, you should not apologise for how you feel over your own life experiences.

I can say with certainty that life story work in adoption has changed and is all about the adoptee knowing their heritage no matter how difficult that may be. Infertility (if is the case with an adopter) is also discussed and in my agency you will not be considered for a period of atleast 6 months if IVF has been used. For me, personally adoption was and still is my first choice in becoming a parent and I have no interest in having a biological child. I cannot tell you how much I love and adore my two children, and if / when the time comes they are ready to explore their birth family I will be there holding their hand all the way no matter how difficult that may be for me to process. For me being a parent is so much more than being called mum, its about putting the children's needs first above all else.

We are from different eras as I am a late 80's baby and in that time it was very much encouraged that children remained with their biological parents. In my case this also came with trauma, it is likely that had I of been born today I would not remain in their care. As an adult now looking back, I can say that it would have been the best option for me as a child as it would provide the stability and foundations needed when growing up. Had I of been adopted as difficult as that may of been in theory I would would of had the love, security and foundations needed for any child. I like you also feel pain and loss in adulthood from my childhood and have no-one to share that with as I am not in contact with my biological parents and would not want to be, but still yearn for someone I could call mum dad. I am lucky I guess in that I am happily married, but its not the same as someone having that unconditional love / bond they have with their child and it was only something I knew i was missing when I became a mother myself.

I am new to this but hopefully my words help ease your pain on how things have changed in adoption, and that maybe sometimes remaining with biological parents is not always the best option at the time for the child.

Ted27 · 17/04/2023 12:56

@BastardChild

I don’t think anyone here would expect or want you not to share experiences. I think its quite widely acknowledged that a great deal of damage was caused by adoption practices of the past, and we all know that the support for all adoptees is rubbish.
But just as we acknowledge your pain, and your right to express it, it would help if you could acknowledge that things have changed. None of us here would argue that adoption practice is perfect - far from it. But the reasons why children are removed from birth families is very different, the process for approval is very different. And adopters today are very aware of the trauma experienced by their children.

121Sarah121 · 18/04/2023 11:55

@BastardChild I am so sorry that things have been so tough for you. Adoption is unique, everyone has different life experiences and each family is complex in its own right. I am so sorry that your experience his been so negative and I hope you have the support to work through it all in the way that is right for you 💐

@whatcanido54 as you can see, adoption isn’t easy for anyone. Parenting an adopted child is complex and requires a certain type of parenting to give the child the space to process the trauma that adoption beings. Add in significant early trauma from neo natal and post birth experiences which adopted children have to varying degrees (because separation from the birth mother is horrendously traumatic) and if the child wasn’t as risk from significant harm, they would not be placed for adoption and most likely stay in long term foster care with the hope of reunification (normally first choice) or with kinship care (ideally first choice with the hope of reunification or to have close links with birth family). Adoption is always last resort to keep the child safe and give them the permanence needed without fear of moving on. So when a child is placed for adoption, there is so much to consider. Spend the next few years reading up on different therapeutic parenting approaches, different approaches to child development with a focus on trauma. There isn’t a guidebook because no two children or families is the same so get as much knowledge as possible and plan a future to be financially secure because an adopted child needs their caregiver to be around so much more than a securely attached, non traumatised child both physically and emotionally. Working may not be an option for an adoptive family because the child’s needs always comes first in whatever form that takes.

mixedrecycling · 20/04/2023 23:24

The legal standard for adoption in England and Wales is that 'nothing else will do' for the long-term well-being of the child. Separating them from their biological family is, quite rightly, seen as hugely significant. Sadly, there are situations where the biological family simply cannot provide what the child needs, and the harm of separation is far outweighed by the harm of leaving them with their biological family.

In DD's case she has just been diagnosed with complex PTSD from her early life with her birth family. She was placed with me aged 5, she is now 16. The trauma that affects her day to day life (e.g. going into survival mode if someone in the class moves unexpectedly or drops a pencil) is not from being separated from her birth family, separating her from them has enabled her to find a sense of safety (which is still undermined by the abuse and neglect she experienced).

MagpieSong · 21/04/2023 07:33

Don’t know if this will be useful, but sharing in relation to stories from people from different parts of the process adding to information around it. Im an adoptee and I know my parents found it tough. Don’t get me wrong, they were great parents who put huge amounts into parenting (though new trauma parenting techniques weren’t developed then), but I know they found it tricky bringing up children who often had very different issues to their peers. My adoptive sister from another family is currently going through an adult diagnosis for autism and possibly adhd, but also lacked a primary caregiver for several months as a baby. She also had hearing issues which we did not know about until post adoption. In her teenage years, she shut herself in her room and never came out except for school and the loo, even birthday presents were given by me by leaving them outside her door as she wouldn’t answer. Attachment has always been an issue for her, as her sibling and one who tried hard to know her, I barely know her and, as an adult, only see her when I visit my parents as she doesn’t travel. I have felt sad my relationship with my birth siblings was taken from me too - though obviously I understand why. My two full siblings have a strong relationship with each other, so I’ve felt sad before that I missed out on that.

As a teenager, I had an eating disorder and really struggled with the idea (child’s point of view) I wasn’t good enough to remain with my birth family. I’d never been told this, it was just the way my childhood brain processed it. It was the 90s and we’d both experienced some trauma, though our parents chose to give us up, it was complex and not an out of wedlock situation in the way older adoptions were. I simply couldn’t see the value in myself and went on to be sexually abused. That lack of value meant I didn’t see why I should feed myself, I forced myself to sleep on the floor because I didn’t think I deserved a bed. I was diagnosed with bipolar and sectioned several times in early adulthood at university and it was a complex diagnosis due to the trauma of experienced.

It’s not an awful story at all because now I’m happy and have a great relationship with my (adoptive) parents and have children I adore and a lovely life, but my sister still doesn’t go out really and doesn’t feel able to work. She lived at home until well into adulthood. However, no support was really available to her and schools etc never picked up on her issues or addressed them. Both of us are finding out that we’re ND, but I think this hasn’t been a negative for me, just an explanation. Also, I work full time in a great job that suits me and have a fab work team and generally enjoy life, though I still have a few foibles - it just took a long time to get here!

However, I would suggest you consider really carefully how it will affect your birth child. Every child is different and, if you adopt, no doubt your story and your child’s will be very different, but it has a high chance of some effects on your current child as others have said, because the adoptive child will have higher needs. My dh and I would love to adopt, but we’re going to be assessed when our birth children are a lot older. We’d rather wait for our youngest child to be into teens and feeling as stable as a teen can (if they’re not we’d delay), however, we’d also want to adopt older children, so that makes a difference. I’m not saying it wouldn’t work, but I just think come up with all sorts of situations at all ages and how you might manage those for your adoptive child and your birth child. Think about early issues, new child in home with younger emotional age who needs lots of input to aid their development because they missed out, but also consider older childhood and teenage years and the constancy of it all.

I’d also recommend the adoption and fostering podcast by Al Coates, lots of stories on there and discussion around issues in adoption. Also agree with pp suggesting Sally Donovan’s No Matter What. There’s also And Then There We’re Four by Emma Sutton. A blog that might be helpful is lifewithkatie.co.uk about adopting two children (Pip and Katie).

@BastardChild im so sorry to hear what you’ve been through, that’s very difficult.

BastardChild · 21/04/2023 09:11

Frankly, it's complicated for all concerned, and the support has always historically been towards adopters, who would then interpret that as de facto support to adoptees.

The reality is that this bias has been and still is harmful. The triad is not an equilateral triangle. There are also the vested interests of adoption agencies and those that are funded to facilitate adoption support to consider in this way.

The most authentic voices for representing adoptees and giving their perspective are adoptee led, such as:

https://adultadoptee.org.uk/

https://adultadoptee.org.uk/scottish-adult-adoptee-movement/

PAC U.K. are also very aware of the need for this distinction and are striving to improve their offering in this area, in fact issuing a report only yesterday:

https://www.pac-uk.org/pac-uk-publish-big-consult-findings/

Other organisations such as Adoption U.K. are starting to make the right noises but until they acknowledge their inherent biases and conflicting interests they are not likely to be authentic enough. They certainly don't have the trust of the adoptee community given what I have observed.

Finally, I'll dip out of this, apologies for being militant, my mental health suffers because of the legacy of adoption and I'm trying, with others to give a voice to those that are harmed by it - adoptees, parents and adoptive parents who are still not being given the full picture or the right support.

Good luck OP with wherever this takes you. Flowers

Jellycatspyjamas · 21/04/2023 12:52

Frankly, it's complicated for all concerned, and the support has always historically been towards adopters, who would then interpret that as de facto support to adoptees

I think this is further complicated now by there being very little support for adopters or adoptees - it’s certainly very patchy and without some kind of diagnosis almost impossible to access proper long term support particularly for adopted children. Lots of short term spot interventions rather than long term relational support that follows the child and offers continuity.

There’s no need to apologise, I don’t find you militant, I believe you are speaking the truth based on your experience and that has huge value. Things have changed in adoption practice because adult adoptees have bravely shared the impact adoption has had on them. It needs to change further and that will only happen if people speak up.

whatcanido54 · 19/06/2023 15:04

Thank you to each and every one of you for your advice and responses ♥️

We have actually come to the decision to stay as a family of 3. I feel much more at peace with that decision than I ever thought I would, but it does feel right for us. We have talked about fostering when DS has grown up and moved out, and that is something I would love to do when the time is right.

@BastardChild thank you so much for your insight and sharing what has clearly been a painful and traumatic experience for you. I'm so sorry it turned out that way for you but please never apologise for how you feel ♥️

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