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Redundancies at your university?

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Oh2beatsea · 02/03/2024 17:27

Are any of you working at one of the many universities that are struggling financially?
Our university announced the financial pressure it's under recently and they are now talking about redundancies. I know a few in the sector are in a similar position and wondered what stage you might be at and how has the process been managed? Have they offered voluntary redundancy first or have they gone straight to compulsory redundancies?
Unsettling times.

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GinForBreakfast · 24/03/2024 21:19

Reserves means all assets, including the value of the land and buildings that make up the campus. Of course these can increase in value while still running a deficit.

It's disingenuous of UCU to call this "money in the bank". Universities can't sell off buildings to pay wages...!

Flockameanie · 24/03/2024 22:37

HoneyButterPopcorn · 24/03/2024 19:04

It certainly sounds like there is a lot of cuts happening. I know applications are down this year (6% all iver isn’t it?) but ffs!

Applications are up for programmes in my dept. Programmes on one side of the dept regularly gets 100% in the NSS. We bring in tons of research funding (for a humanities dept) thanks to two incredibly specialist, world-leading research groups. We're still being utterly decimated. We have the highest 'savings target' of any dept in the University. This isn't (just) about money. It's a strategic, targeted attack on the arts and humanities.

And yes, I'm the one with a 20-year career about to go down the toilet. And yes, some of my research has been world-leading. But I can be as world-leading as I like, it's still not going to help me get another job because there are ZERO jobs being advertised in my field this year. It sucks. I'm also the main earner for my family. My kids are still young and will be financially dependent on me for at least another 13 years. So I'm having to think about retraining in something that can potentially and quickly get me back up to my current earning level. At nearly 50. Wasn't my career plan... Oh, and the sum total of my university's support on that front was to direct us to LinkedIn. fuckers

Homecountieshome · 25/03/2024 02:37

Flockameanie · 24/03/2024 22:37

Applications are up for programmes in my dept. Programmes on one side of the dept regularly gets 100% in the NSS. We bring in tons of research funding (for a humanities dept) thanks to two incredibly specialist, world-leading research groups. We're still being utterly decimated. We have the highest 'savings target' of any dept in the University. This isn't (just) about money. It's a strategic, targeted attack on the arts and humanities.

And yes, I'm the one with a 20-year career about to go down the toilet. And yes, some of my research has been world-leading. But I can be as world-leading as I like, it's still not going to help me get another job because there are ZERO jobs being advertised in my field this year. It sucks. I'm also the main earner for my family. My kids are still young and will be financially dependent on me for at least another 13 years. So I'm having to think about retraining in something that can potentially and quickly get me back up to my current earning level. At nearly 50. Wasn't my career plan... Oh, and the sum total of my university's support on that front was to direct us to LinkedIn. fuckers

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This sounds SO like whats happening at the School of Literature and Languages at Surrey too :/

Makeupbagz · 25/03/2024 03:39

Not sure if this helps but a few of my DCs teachers are ex-uni. Probably not what you signed up for all those years ago.

drwitch · 25/03/2024 04:05

I seem to be blocked from accessing "the knowledge partnership" the education consultancy that is being used by universities in their "portfolio review" -what about anyone else?

AcademicBurnOut · 25/03/2024 05:56

drwitch · 25/03/2024 04:05

I seem to be blocked from accessing "the knowledge partnership" the education consultancy that is being used by universities in their "portfolio review" -what about anyone else?

I just tried and cannot open their website either

drwitch · 25/03/2024 06:08

Interesting @AcademicBurnOut do you think we are blocked or is it down?

ArnoldArnoldArnoldR · 25/03/2024 06:46

AcademicBurnOut · 24/03/2024 13:50

That link is interesting to see some universities which had significant redundancies a few years back at it for round two. Which potentially suggests either things are getting worse /things are so bad to start with that redundancies aren’t ever going to make a difference. Or perhaps they didn’t cut enough the first time. 🤷‍♀️

We had a big redundancy programme five years ago and we've been going through this current restructure for a year, now. I think they did review the previous lot but the report has been buried - presumably it wasn't very kind to our brave and noble leaders, so us plebs will never get to see it.

AcademicBurnOut · 25/03/2024 07:00

drwitch · 25/03/2024 06:08

Interesting @AcademicBurnOut do you think we are blocked or is it down?

Seems like a problem with their security certificate?? Normally you can still see the website if you click on the “I understand the risk and wish to enter the website anyway” button but even that isn’t working. I don’t think we’re blocked

gyrt · 25/03/2024 07:15

@Flockameanie

Terrible

Toblerbone · 25/03/2024 07:29

So sorry @Flockameanie

MyNameIsFine · 25/03/2024 08:53

Flockameanie · 09/03/2024 18:16

£10m deficit at my place, we were told. Due to decreasing OS student numbers plus 'unexpected' costs due to rises in CoL, heating, etc. The last is ridiculous - all of the offices on my floor are fucking boiling from October to May and have no thermostats. So in the winter I have to have my window open while the ancient heating system belts out. They probably could have saved about £1m by sorting that out... The whole thing is enraging, because while this deficit is not a surprise (deficit last year that they filled by using their 'reserves'), neither is the decrease in OS numbers, they've continued to invest in various vanity building projects, launched new (very expensive programmes) and are currently hiring 3 new middle/senior management types in my faculty.

Cuts seem to be across the board, but some faculties/ schools/ depts are being disproportionately affected, including mine (humanities) and another (arts). No surprises there...

There are rumours of gross financial mismanagement...

Don't know if we're at the same university, but probably common pattern across the RG. Competition for students means investing in impressive building projects to look good on Open Day. Lots of inefficiency - rooms far too hot, staff don't know how to operate expensive tech equipment, so just use white board pens. They don't have money to pay the actual staff that are the heart of the thing! People working ridiculous hours. No pay for people on marking boycott. Now redundancies. Disastrous mismanagement.

Flockameanie · 25/03/2024 11:09

Makeupbagz · 25/03/2024 03:39

Not sure if this helps but a few of my DCs teachers are ex-uni. Probably not what you signed up for all those years ago.

I don’t mean this to be offensive, but fuck that shit! Teachers are leaving the profession in droves for a reason. It’s all the crap bits of my job (especially the admin and dealing with endless new pedagogical ‘approaches’) without any of the good bits (the research - ie the reason that any academic got into this line of work in the first place), supervising research projects, etc. And worse working conditions for less money.

Flockameanie · 25/03/2024 11:12

But thank you folks for the empathy! I’m not the only one in this boat, I know. It will probably all work out ok in the end - who knows what exciting new career ventures are ahead for me.

It’s such a sorry state of affairs for HE though. Commiserations for everyone else going through this.

AcademicBurnOut · 25/03/2024 11:16

Completely agree with not wanting to go into teaching. I don’t want to spend my life doing classroom management with a bunch of poorly behaved teens.

plus i don’t have qualified teacher status (pretty sure my pg cert doesn’t give me that) so i don’t particularly want to do teacher training.

I’d rather do minimum wage admin or retail work.

DoorPath · 25/03/2024 11:32

HoneyButterPopcorn · 24/03/2024 19:04

It certainly sounds like there is a lot of cuts happening. I know applications are down this year (6% all iver isn’t it?) but ffs!

That's home applications. Sadly, international applications are down closer to 60%, sector-wide.

DoorPath · 25/03/2024 11:38

AcademicBurnOut · 24/03/2024 20:16

Yes reserves I think. I fully admit I’m no expert in university financial statements so wasn’t sure what it all meant.

However they have more reserves than ever before and more students than ever before and more income than ever before. So the panic stations was initially hard to swallow.

Costs are higher than ever before. To stay in the black, universities need to increase student numbers by around 5% every year (obviously an unsustainable plan, but the only one we've got, since home fees remain frozen). Costs for a university go up by at least 5% every year (inflationary pay increases plus increments are the biggest driver of this). For the majority of universities in the UK, whose academic staff are in the Teachers' Pension Scheme, employer contributions have risen from 23% to 28% this year. That's 5% additional cost per academic. We are talking an impact of millions in each university.

These are all necessary and good things for staff, but they are only funded via student number increases. A drop in student numbers is a drop from a necessary 5% growth year on year, so a 6% drop in home applications translates to an 11% drop to budget.

I hope this has been helpful.

decionsdecisions62 · 25/03/2024 12:22

We would feel lucky if our home applications were down only 6%. Ours are down 18%!

HoneyButterPopcorn · 25/03/2024 13:27

Eek! I thought the last UCAS report said 6%? ours are up although Covid gave everyone a battering.

AcademicBurnOut · 25/03/2024 13:58

HoneyButterPopcorn · 25/03/2024 13:27

Eek! I thought the last UCAS report said 6%? ours are up although Covid gave everyone a battering.

I think that’s figures for this current year. But applications for Sept/oct from overseas students have fallen off a cliff. So the storm is coming rather than already being here.

AcademicBurnOut · 25/03/2024 14:03

You’d like to think the govt would backtrack on their immigration policy changes which have caused this but I doubt it.

They see immigration as more of a vote winner than keeping universities afloat. Most people won’t care about that until their child is affected…..either can’t get a place at uni as so many have closed or their kid’s course folds mid way through it. By then it’s too late. Of course the govt will blame the individual universities of gross incompetence and refute any claims their immigration policy has had an impact.

titchy · 26/03/2024 19:00

That list has been updated since it was first posted further down thread. Now 48 universities (out of, what 150?) including several RGs with current or very recent redundancy programmes Sad

AcademicBurnOut · 26/03/2024 19:38

Some of the amounts are crazy, how is Coventry going to save £100 million? Is that a one off saving or an annual saving?