ETA for the UK and dual citizenship

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If I have understood correctly, you need to travel on your British passport to avoid having to get an ETA OR get a certificate of entitlement (which costs £550!!!) This seems very unfair to me and is particularly so for those of us who have dual nationality kids who want to travel home to see grandparents.

My kids actually do have UK passports now but did not get them for a long time as we are a relatively low income household and getting everyone two passports when not really needed was too much. I think a lot of people are going to be caught out this way! Oh for the pre-Brexit days when you could travel on a £15 ID card....

Anyway, is this right? Has anyone been turned back because they are a British citizen but without a passport?

Sorry that was a mess.

Has EU confirmed dual citizens will be able to travel in without valid EU travel document? I did not see that. So they eill alow duals EES?

I'm not responding anymore. There are plenty of threads on mumsnet where people have a moan about prices and costs but whenever dual citizenship is mentioned people start screaming "privilege" as if they can't get their head around the idea that you can be working class and live in the EU. I'm so glad that for many of you, an extra charge of a few hundred pounds to get everyone a UK passport is risible - for a lot of families it really isn't.

Anyway, as I have stated several times my kids now do have passports so it's not an issue for me. That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about it or empathise with others. To all the people screaming "it's a privilege ", "suck it up" I hope you realise how ridiculous you sound and that you never complain about anything in your life - after all there is always something worse off than you.

Pre Brexit it was already the rule that if you are dual nationality then you need to use both passports if you are travelling between the UK and your other nationality country. We never did though. So it’s not a new rule, but one that you do have to follow now as a result of more stringent border rules since Brexit.

Okay last response -😄 This is NOT ALLOWED. The fact that they haven't yet stopped you doesn't mean they won't. If it was possible to buy the ETA I wouldn't be complaining. 🤣

so get the passports and stop whining about it then.

No I accept my financial situation and I do not blame others for my misfortune.

Abide by the rules of the country as we are sadly not part of the EU anymore so things are different now as are many things since Brexit happened.

Being a dual national is privilege not many have.

Going abroad is also a privilege not many have either.

Do you want the moon on a stick too?

Zero empathy that others are not so fortunate. Nice. This thread sure brought out the self-centred.

I gor very confused with precisely this issue yesterday when travelling between the two countries I‘m a citizen of. In the queue for bag drop (in the UK going to EU) there was a staff member pre-checking passports for the right documentation, I just held out both of them because I didn‘t know for sure whether he wanted evidence of our right to be in the UK or of our right to be in the EU. He asked which one we were travelling under and I honestly couldn’t remember what we‘d told the airline.
But there‘s a definite satisfaction in walking past all the Brits who are waiting ages for manual immigration checks into the EU, while we use the automatic gates. That’s worth the price of a passport alone.

Yes it is a privilege to have dual citizenship. I paid 2K for my UK citizenship and didn’t even get the passport for free 😂

Her kids have them, I have no idea why she keeps whining. Nobody is forced to have dual citizenship

BUT you now know what time do pubs open on Sunday and lots of other interest facts😂

Very true 😂 endless small talk

The moral of the story is just be Irish.
No UK or EU ETA required.

You are not fortunate?!!
By being able to afford foreign travel, you are financially more able and fortunate than 90% of the global population.
Your ungratefulness is something else.
It makes me so sad.

I think it's the norm pretty much everywhere in the world that if you have citizenships of country X and Y, you are required to enter and leave country X with the passport of country X.

Which one do you register with the airline when checking in online? Or doesn’t it matter?

i renewed my British passport recently because of this (have just used my EU passport for decades) and have a flight back to the UK coming up soon and haven’t yet found the answer to this.

It doesn't matter really. You don't have to show the same passport you checked in at the border. Just make sure you enter and leave on 1 passport. So the border agen doesn't give you telling off like they did to me before I fully understood the rules😂

That’s not true. Most are born with dual citizenship and most countries charge hundreds to thousands of £/$/€ to renounce a citizenship.

I’m a bit worried now. My DH washed his British passport while here an EU country (we are on holiday). It is totally fucked. So he will travel back to UK on his US passport and then apply to replace his damaged British passport.

Otherwise it would be hundreds of £ to get an ‘emergency travel document’ which he can only get by travelling over 8hrs (each way) for an in person interview at the nearest Embassy. He has a valid US passport, so doesn’t need an emergency travel document,

I guess he will just show both passports- show the damaged British one in place of the ETA to border control as he isn’t eligible to apply for an ETA. He has his UK drivers license too…so….should be ok. I hope.

Guess we will find out in a week.

When did you have to show your ETA? You can get into the UK on a US passport currently.

Google says ETAs were needed from the 8th of January. It was in April.

I feel very privileged to have dual nationality. I paid A LOT of money and waited 4.5 years while my citizenship application was processed. Then I had to pay more for my ID card and more again for my passport. Money well spent IMO since Brexshit.
I agree it is expensive so renew a UK passport from overseas but it just has to be sucked up.

How would Border Force get the chance to be amused? The vast majority go through the gates so zero interaction with passengers. That’s the whole point. The data on passengers is checked before arrival (eg via ETA) and checked again on arrival (gates).

The borders are becoming data checking points rather than human interactions. That’s why the documentation has to be correct. If you’re British you have no status or ETA or visa to check. Just a passport. If you don’t get a British passport you’re expecting the data systems to check for a visa or ETA or a known UK status but find nothing.

You don’t actually technically need a passport to cross the UK border if you’re British. You can’t be refused entry to your own country. But it’s a requirement for all carriers to check valid documentation before they will agree to transport you so effectively it’s the same thing. When you try and travel the carriers have a set of rules to follow and you’ll just be denied boarding without the right documents.

In the past it didn't matter. We just returned from Portugal and still had the EU data saved from the flight out.
We normally used the one which were on top of the pack.

BA website then said that they can't issue a boarding pass without us showing visa/ETA.

So we rocked up at the check in and just handed over the British ones, no issues at all.

I think I will now use the British one for the return flight, especially if you don't have any hold luggage.

It makes me sad that you are unable to follow quite a simple discussion. "Not fortunate " was not about me but you just grabbed on to a couple of words in a long discussion to get the boot in. Maybe try engaging with the topic rather than looking to insult which is also against mumsnet rules?

I have said several times that my kids have passports but I know some people who cannot really afford them. And yes, it is fortunate to have dual citizenship but kids don't choose it and, as a previous poster pointed out, it also costs a lot to revoke it.

Also "foreign travel " is not particularly expensive or at least not more so than UK travel. We drive and stay with relatives. But don't let that get in the way of your mock horror at our "privilege".