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martial law declared in South Korea

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goingtohellinahandcart · 03/12/2024 15:50

Not entirely clear what is going on but the president of South Korea has declared martial law and apparently troops have tried to enter the parliament

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daftpunkearworm · 03/12/2024 18:14

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2024 16:04

I saw this and thought wtf.

The BBC reporting makes it look like it's a response by a corrupt leader embattled with all sorts of legal charges pending who is being undemocratic using North Korea as an excuse to hold onto power.

It's fucking scary.

And it's something I wouldn't put past Trump.

It's a classic seize of power technique.

If that's what it is, it's scary.
If it is North Korea provoked it's scary.

Either way, it's Really Not Good in a REALLY NOT GOOD kinda way.

Why would Trump declare martial law? He's been elected with a decisive, democratic mandate and will hold all 3 branches of government. He can't now be sentenced (and he will probably pardon himself on the "politicisation of the justice department" precedent Biden has created for his son). The situation in S Korea is a lame duck president refusing to leave. That's more likely to be Biden at this particular stage in US politics. Or maybe he could grant a few more pardons (including himself and his brother), and undemocratically stuff the Supreme Court and abolish the filibuster. Or would that suggestion be spreading silly scare stories for no reason?

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2024 18:48

daftpunkearworm · 03/12/2024 18:14

Why would Trump declare martial law? He's been elected with a decisive, democratic mandate and will hold all 3 branches of government. He can't now be sentenced (and he will probably pardon himself on the "politicisation of the justice department" precedent Biden has created for his son). The situation in S Korea is a lame duck president refusing to leave. That's more likely to be Biden at this particular stage in US politics. Or maybe he could grant a few more pardons (including himself and his brother), and undemocratically stuff the Supreme Court and abolish the filibuster. Or would that suggestion be spreading silly scare stories for no reason?

What EXACTLY happened at the end of his last presidency?!

Or were you not paying attention?

I swear to god some days...

Igotjelly · 03/12/2024 19:40

President has announced he’s lifting martial law. What a bizarre evening!

heldinadream · 03/12/2024 19:56

@Igotjelly Very bizarre. I find myself wondering if he is having some kind of breakdown/meltdown, and has now been taken in hand and restrained by other officials.
If only US Republicans had been capable of such swift and decisive containment.

boatyardblues · 03/12/2024 19:58

It’s been a wild few hours. I’m relieved it has deescalated. I am sure the reckoning won’t be pretty but this could have gone downhill fast.

Precipice · 03/12/2024 20:03

JuneSoon · 03/12/2024 16:56

It is possible and arguably desirable to be interested in both domestic and global politics and to understand and be concerned by the connections between the two and the domestic implications from overseas events.

Yep. But I want the BBC to focus on issues that directly affect us on a daily basis. So South Korea, Syria et al can be the 3rd item on the news.

YABVU to expect the first item on the news to be the most important and affecting the population the most. Have you never seen the first item be 'Royal goes to Church on Christmas Day' or something likewise irrelevant to most people's lives?

biscuitandcake · 03/12/2024 20:04

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2024 18:48

What EXACTLY happened at the end of his last presidency?!

Or were you not paying attention?

I swear to god some days...

It. Was. A. Day. Of. Love. OK??? Clearly you have been getting too much of your news from legacy media 🙄

[Edited to say: sarcasm in case that wasn't clear]

Igotjelly · 03/12/2024 20:10

But apparently he can’t lift the martial law until the cabinet meet and it’s early in the morning so they aren’t available….. what on earth have they got going on that’s more important 😂

HelenWheels · 03/12/2024 20:12

is he the same president who sang American Pie when visiting joe Biden?

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2024 20:16

HelenWheels · 03/12/2024 20:12

is he the same president who sang American Pie when visiting joe Biden?

I believe so.

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2024 20:17

Igotjelly · 03/12/2024 20:10

But apparently he can’t lift the martial law until the cabinet meet and it’s early in the morning so they aren’t available….. what on earth have they got going on that’s more important 😂

Too busy sleeping.

livingafulllife · 03/12/2024 20:18

Its no big deal really if things get out of hand im sure the uk can house more people.

Nodlikeyouwerelistening · 03/12/2024 20:18

JuneSoon · 03/12/2024 16:42

We will be very impacted when WW3 starts.

Well, I'd quite like the NHS to be fit for purposes in the meantime.

The Bank of England interest rate is relatively low. Interest rates for borrowers in the UK are still high due to global pressures. Everything that happens in the world directly impacts us in the UK. That’s literally how the economy works.

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2024 20:18

biscuitandcake · 03/12/2024 20:04

It. Was. A. Day. Of. Love. OK??? Clearly you have been getting too much of your news from legacy media 🙄

[Edited to say: sarcasm in case that wasn't clear]

Edited

There's days when I really do wonder about the world TBF.

Yes 'Love In At The Capitol' soon to be made into a romantic comedy.

HelenWheels · 03/12/2024 20:22

what next for him

DreamTheMoors · 03/12/2024 20:22

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2024 16:18

It destabilises the region.

China might be more likely to do something regarding Taiwan.

It might affect trade and manufacturing. (Think about what in the UK comes from SK - Samsung and Kia are South Korean).

It also may encourage Trump to use similar tactics.

There's all sorts of potential fall out.

It's far far to early to say.

Equally this might go no where and it might simply fade out and this guy might be arrested come morning, with fresh elections essential.

God knows.

A major country like SK having a military coup will have some kind of impact on the UK though.

You mean it might encourage Elon Musk to influence Trump to use similar tactics.

Donald Trump has a growth named Elon Musk.
It hasn’t let go since the 5 November election.

daftpunkearworm · 03/12/2024 20:41

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2024 18:48

What EXACTLY happened at the end of his last presidency?!

Or were you not paying attention?

I swear to god some days...

Yes, I was paying attention. I don't think you were. A bunch of losers stormed Congress and shat on a few desks, and are now banged up in prison, not running the US. Trump didn't seize power through martial law. I don't believe he has faced any charges of orchestrating a coup, has he?

That was after he lost the 2020 election. This time he won - decisively. I'll quote you: it's something I wouldn't put past Trump. You are predicting a future action when there's fuck all reason for him to do this. You are just scare mongering for no reason, and tying his name to a situation that has nothing to do with him.

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2024 20:42

daftpunkearworm · 03/12/2024 20:41

Yes, I was paying attention. I don't think you were. A bunch of losers stormed Congress and shat on a few desks, and are now banged up in prison, not running the US. Trump didn't seize power through martial law. I don't believe he has faced any charges of orchestrating a coup, has he?

That was after he lost the 2020 election. This time he won - decisively. I'll quote you: it's something I wouldn't put past Trump. You are predicting a future action when there's fuck all reason for him to do this. You are just scare mongering for no reason, and tying his name to a situation that has nothing to do with him.

Not biting.

Sorry.

ThatRareUmberJoker · 03/12/2024 21:33

JuneSoon · 03/12/2024 16:42

We will be very impacted when WW3 starts.

Well, I'd quite like the NHS to be fit for purposes in the meantime.

You'll be waiting a long time and then a lot more waiting.

spanieleyes · 04/12/2024 08:11

My niece says all is quiet, a very strange day!

heldinadream · 04/12/2024 10:06

spanieleyes · 04/12/2024 08:11

My niece says all is quiet, a very strange day!

Must be a very peculiar atmosphere after yesterday. Is she there long term? Is she worried or does she think it's going to blow over?

spanieleyes · 04/12/2024 10:19

She has been there over 12 years now. She doesn't work in Seoul and there was little, if any impact anywhere else. From what she said, the local people were as confused as we are over what happened and why!

heldinadream · 04/12/2024 10:38

@spanieleyes thank you. I actually found myself wondering if the president was having some kind of breakdown. It all does seem very weird. Hopefully everything will settle down quickly.

Igotjelly · 04/12/2024 11:10

I spoke to a friend I know who lives in Seoul and he said it was really scary at first because they assumed there was a genuine attack underway from the North but that once they realised what it was a sense of anger seems to have taken over. SK is no stranger to rough and tumble politics but this was a different level.

RedToothBrush · 04/12/2024 11:47

Raphael Rashid AT koyrodynasty
Important to note that calls for Yoon's resignation extend far beyond politics. Women's orgs, LGBTQ groups, and disability rights activists, communities who have consistently reported deteriorating rights/protections under his admin, have all joined in amidst martial law crisis.

Forgot to mention other groups including labour rights groups etc.

And of course, individual citizens too.

Main opposition proposes impeachment motion for defence minister after martial law turmoil, reports Yonhap.

Defence minister Kim Yong-hyun offers to resign, says he feels responsible for what happened and wants to take responsibility

Main opposition Democratic party has also submitted a motion to impeach defence minister Kim Yong-hyun.

If Yoon accepts Kim's resignation before parliament votes, Kim would no longer be subject to the impeachment process.

Very concerning developments regarding press freedoms emerged following President Yoon's short-lived martial law declaration, with multiple journalists going into hiding after military personnel reportedly deployed to control media outlets last night.

Around 10 soldiers allegedly blocked access to the 'Kim Eo-jun's News Factory' YouTube studio in Chungjeongno, Seoul. A lawyer and other guests were prevented from entering. Soldiers remained after martial law was lifted, claiming they hadn't received orders to leave

Kim Eo-jun, a fierce critic of Yoon, claims military arrest teams arrived at his home, forcing him to flee. He alleges he received a tip-off that an arrest warrant was prepared and he was under a travel ban. He says he "drove through the night to get far away".

Newstapa's three defendants (CEO and two reporters) in Yoon's defamation case fled their homes. Newstomato journalists investigating the Myung Tae-kyun scandal also went into hiding with their editor-in-chief, saying they faced "real threats as journalists".

My piece from 2022 re: Kim Eo-jun (Kim Ou-joon) and concerns over press freedom in South Korea under the Yoon Suk Yeol government.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/16/south-korea-cuts-funding-to-broadcaster-as-concern-over-press-freedom-grows

South Korea cuts funding to broadcaster as concern over press freedom grows

TBS set to have most of its funding cut starting in 2024 after a decision by Seoul city government, led by president Yoon’s party

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/16/south-korea-cuts-funding-to-broadcaster-as-concern-over-press-freedom-grows

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