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When were rear facing car seats the norm/law?

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Hmmiwonderr · 14/07/2024 14:23

I know rear facing car seats were invented in the 60s, but when were rear facing car seats the norm/law in the UK? I'm struggling to find this online and I'm curious. I was born late 90s and car seat laws have changed since then as I need to keep my 1 year old in her infant car seat until she's a certain height.

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Hmmiwonderr · 08/08/2024 12:10

Londonnight · 08/08/2024 10:50

My elder ones were born in the mid 70's. Baby went in carrycot on the back seat, unrestrained the others just sat next to it.

When we did get car seats a couple of years later [ very uncomfortable by todays standards ] they had to be secured in the car by drilling holes in the floor of the car to fasten them in. So once in, there they stayed.

There were no rear facing car seats in the 70's in the UK as far as I am aware.

There was also no law at the time to say your child had to be in a car seat, it was a personal choice.

Very interesting!

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ARichtGoodDram · 08/08/2024 12:16

The first car seat I had used to make my Nana think back and cringe (I loved with my GPs as they couldn't afford to have rear seatbelts retrofitted so they were told having me in a car seat was safer. So I used to be strapped into this seat that was placed on the back seat.

It was basically wedged in behind the passenger seat to stop it falling over.

Years later my Nana said in hindsight she wasn't sure who was in more danger - me in my unsecured seat flying around or her in the passenger seat and likely to get clouted by it if we suddenly had to break!

wastingtimeonhere · 08/08/2024 12:31

Mine were born late 80s, early 90s, eldest, carrycot on back seat of my grandparents car. Tied in with rope! There were no seatbelts in the back as an old car. We got a car ourselves a couple of years later and bought forward facing seats that bolted in. Youngest had rear facing up to 9 months. Car seats until 4 ish, then booster seats.
I knew someone who put their 8 month old on a booster seat in their own car!
Back in the 70s, it was sitting on a cushion, loose in the back. I once had to sit on a cushion on the handbrake. Car full, 4 adults, 2 children crammed in. 60/70s cars weren't that big!
That said, even with the laws today, I see a hell of a lot of kids riding around unrestrained in cars. DS fell out massively with his ex when he caught her putting his 3 plus her 2 nephews all in the back, unrestrained as preschool age kids. He was unreasonable, apparently, to get his kids out of the car and refuse to let her take them!

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NowImNotDoingIt · 08/08/2024 12:52

@Hmmiwonderr you asked when it became LAW . That's when it did, rear facing up to 15 months.

Dollmeup · 08/08/2024 13:06

My brother and I were born in the 80s and never had baby seats. We were in a carrycot in the back seat held in place by a seatbelt (I think even back seatbelts were unusual back then). When we outgrew the carrycot we went straight to a booster seat. My parents were quite strict but I remember being in cars with friends and the smaller kids would sit in the foot well behind the front seats, sometimes bigger ones went in the boot! My 2010s babies, first was rear facing only til about 10 months and only because she was small enough to still fit an infant seat, I think most people did 6 months. Second was rear facing til about 18 months I think as by then you got bigger rear facing seats.

BertieBotts · 08/08/2024 16:02

There have been a few different shifts in attitude and law changes over the years. Not easy to find a picture of this with "a quick google" really.

Early 80s is when you really start to see child safety seats appear as a category e.g. in the old Argos catalogues, which suggests they were becoming more commonplace around that time. Fits with the first seatbelt laws in 1984. Previous to this, there was perhaps one option, presented as a speciality item. Or you could have child seats fitted by the car dealer if you were well off. Nothing much for babies, except straps to fix carrycots into the car, and a little hammock thing for the parcel shelf. The carrycot straps had no crash safety benefit, they just stopped it sliding around corners, but maybe there's a perception that there was crash safety. From anecdotes I think at this time it was very much social circle dependent - some people thought it was stupid and dangerous to drive kids around without car seats, and some people thought it was crazy OTT to bother with them. Even if you did use them you'd have to go without if you used another car because they were permanently fitted, not easy to move around.

1985 was the first rear facing baby seat (for the UK) - they came much later than forward facing ones because the design we have always used in the UK has to be fitted with seatbelts. They were also some of the first child seats to be able to be fitted with seatbelt. The first baby car seats were normally used in the front, because that was where the seatbelts were. Most of them didn't have handles - so they were probably quite impractical/expensive for what they were. I'd imagine most people carried on using carrycots because you'd have one for your pram anyway.

You could also get a "two way" seat which was also seatbelt fitted and was designed to be used backward facing with a recline up to 9kg (6-9 months) and then forward facing once they can sit up. I would guess these would have been more popular as better value (but honestly I don't know).

First car seat law came in in 1989:
All child passengers must use a car seat if a suitable one is fitted. If not:
Babies up to 1 can use a carrycot (strapped in)
Children 1-4 can use a seatbelt (but only with a booster seat)
Children 4-11 can use a seatbelt
If these options are not available, children could legally travel unrestrained.

I understand that all of this was meant to allow for people not having car seats permanently fitted in grandparents' cars, take their niece/nephew on a day out, give their neighbour or friend a lift etc. Likely because the seatbelt fitted seats were still new, and not all cars had rear seatbelts. But in practice, it meant that it was perfectly legal not to even own a car seat in the first place.

Early 90s: Big shift, many more models available, and seatbelt-fitting became common. Seatbelts were required in the rear of all cars from 1991, but older cars didn't have to retrofit them.

Also, the first proper car seat law in 1993: Children under 3 now had to use car seats (still an exception for babies in carrycots) - the only exception was where the car has no seatbelts at all. It does seem that by this point, car seats were a totally standard, normal thing to use so the legislation likely just cemented in law what was already typical practice.

By the mid 90s most infant seats had the carry handle, and were marketed as being a combination car seat/low chair/rocker - people fed their babies their first solids in car seats. They were seen as being really versatile. Not much commentary yet about the dangers of overusing car seats.

1995 - a couple of notable changes with the newest EU regulation R44.03 - Group 0+ was added so infant carriers could now go up to 13kg (not just 10kg) and a car certification was added for carrycots. Unfortunately I can't find the corresponding UK legislation so I am not sure when it changed from allowing any carrycot to be used to only certified ones. Airbag warning added to rear facing car seats, since this had become known as a danger, and many people were still using these seats in the front of the car.

Travel systems (buggy compatible car seats) were invented around 2000/2001-ish and these were HUGE - totally changed the way people chose both prams AND car seats, to the point they are basically seen as an essential today. Fun thing is that MN starts around this time, so if you use the advanced search you can go back and read actual conversations people were having about them when they were a totally new concept. (And be amazed by the prices people thought were expensive :D)

By the late 00s I had a baby myself, so I know that the advice had changed from "move them forward facing when they can sit up" to "wait until minimum 9kg, 9 months and as late as possible is better" (but still barely anyone kept them rear facing after 12 months) and it was definitely the norm to use a car seat rather than a car carrycot, because the car carrycots were so huge and bulky and most carrycots weren't certified.

2013 were the first seats sold with the "minimum 15 months to forward face" rule, although it took a long time for this to catch up to general practice. I would say we are just about there now.

Interesting to match up the changes in attitudes and legislation, especially through the 60s-00s, with the numbers here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reported_Road_Casualties_Great_Britain#/media/File:Killed_on_British_Roads.png

Blueuggboots · 08/08/2024 16:07

In the early 80's, we drove to the South of France and spent most of the trip with our heads on the footwell and our feet on the back windscreen....not a seatbelt in sight...
My son is 13 and was in a rear facing car seat (stage 1) as a baby then a forward facing car seat from 9 months until he was 135cm.

Oldraver · 08/08/2024 17:10

DS1 was born in 1986 and we had a Britax rear facing baby seat. We were certainly considered 'odd' in the family and amongst friends for insisting on it. Even the midwife who discharged us asked "will he be safe in that". I lived in an area (in UK) with many US air force families and these seats were being used a lot. We had to fit seat belts in the first car we had to accommodate the seat

DS2 was born in 2006 and was so tiny he was in his infant seat till 18 months old the went forward facing

LuckysDadsHat · 08/08/2024 19:51

Hmmiwonderr · 08/08/2024 10:03

@Icanwalkintheroom @LuckysDadsHat my parents had similar experiences! Born in the 70s. I know children piled into cars, but were there no safety precautions for babies and toddlers?

Young babies were put in a carrycot that was kind of strapped in to the car according to my mum. They weren't strapped into the carrycot, you just rolled around in that!

And then you just sat on the seat when top big for the carrycot.

With my kids eldest was forward facing from 10 months (1990s). My youngest (big age gap) was rear facing till 4.5 years old (2010's).

icebearforpresident · 08/08/2024 20:02

My eldest was born in 2014 and extended rear facing was really becoming talked about then, we spent a fortune on an ERF seat compared to what a forward facing would have cost and I had to buy it from a specialist website, the likes of Halfords didn’t have any. Both kids were rear facing until they were 3 at least.

When my brother and I were kids in the early 90’s out grandparents on dads side had a farm and my gran drove a 3 seater, flat bed pick up truck. We used to go stay with them every weekend and she would pick us up and we’d get in the flatbed to be driven the 15 miles to the farm then back again a few days later. But it was ok because she bought a canvas cover for it so in the event of a crash we were perfectly safe 🤦‍♀️

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