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Why are so many children autistic these days?

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Superlambaanana · 19/05/2024 16:29

I've just seen someone comment on a thread that 4 out of 5 of their DC are autistic. So many classroom assistants in every primary class. So many parents I talk to saying they have or are fighting to get a diagnosis for their DC. And yet no one I went to school with at primary or secondary level was ever diagnosed as autistic, nor did anyone do anything that suggested they were undiagnosed like hand flapping or inability to communicate normally. Various levels of intelligence and social ability obviously, but no one who was at the level of meltdowns and needing stringent routine etc. Is it environmental?

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elliejjtiny · 19/05/2024 22:38

Dymaxion · 19/05/2024 22:21

ND people are more likely to meet other ND people and have ND children.

This is interesting, why do you think this is the case @elliejjtiny ?

Lots of reasons. My parents assumed I would never leave home and so did dh's parents. Then we met at university. We are both ND, although I am not autistic. I think more ND people are encouraged to live independent lives and have relationships in a way that didn't happen in the 1960's or even later.

bellasmith · 19/05/2024 22:38

tbh I am SOOOO scared of this! I just found out I'm preg and i am scared of so many things. I'm crying every day about it!

Superlambaanana · 19/05/2024 22:46

elliejjtiny · 19/05/2024 22:09

I am the poster from the OP who has 5 children, 4 of whom are autistic. Dh is also autistic. There are a number of reasons I think that there appears to be more autistic children around these days.

It's talked about more and the shame has mostly gone. My in-laws tried for over 20 years to avoid dh getting diagnosed with autism. These days parents actively seek getting their ND children diagnosed.

We as a society used to casually accept differences in people. In the 80's it was just accepted that "Jamie" couldn't sit still or that "Darren" had horrific handwriting. Now we want to know why.

Birth trauma. I know this is anecdata but the 2 of my dc who had traumatic births have much more severe autism symptoms than the 2 who didn't. More babies are surviving traumatic births than ever before.

Children are being given more attention by adults now than in previous generations and being taken care of more by adults and less by older siblings or neighbours children. Adults who are more likely than your average 9 or 10 year old to notice symptoms.

ND people are more likely to meet other ND people and have ND children.

There are probably other things but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Interesting to hear your first hand experience. Thanks for posting.

I'm sorry to hear you had traumatic births. This is why the Why is important - so we can better understand cause and effect, improve healthcare outcomes, and try to tackle bias and misinformation.

Some of the pps on this thread have been reminiscent of the trans debate - shutting down anyone who speaks on a subject they have already predetermined what everyone must think.

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BusyMummy001 · 19/05/2024 22:53

bellasmith · 19/05/2024 22:38

tbh I am SOOOO scared of this! I just found out I'm preg and i am scared of so many things. I'm crying every day about it!

Congrats on your pregnancy - it’s a very exciting time! But please don’t worry about ND issues and just focus on yourself and your baby’s health. Do everything your GP and HV advise and everything will be fine.

I’m ND and doing my 4th degree (a PhD) after a career in the city; my husband is ND and a board member of a FTSE 100 company; my DS is ND and about to start 4 A Levels and hoping to become a doctor. My DH and I have been together for 33 years this year. My DD struggles, but so do many girls when they hit puberty and this was worsened for her generation due to lockdowns. However, she’s going back to school to do an Access to FE diploma and will go to university next year - living at home as she needs the support at the moment - but she will achieve and be independent eventually, just with a support network in place if she needs it.

An ND diagnosis is not the end of the world as you can see - educations, careers, stable relationships are all possible. We look at it now (after, admittedly, a fight for diagnosis and fiddling around for months on end to get the right medication and counselling) as ‘information’. Ie I’m ASD, XYZ makes me anxious, so when I have a school trip/business meeting/project deadline/exams I need to do ABC to help manage that or to have person A on fast dial. Sometimes we melt down, or have bouts of depression, but so do our NT friends. Our path to wellness is slightly different.

… but you do NOT need to panic about this stuff. Enjoy your pregnancy. Get off MN. Go for a walk. Stock up on lots of lovely fruit and veg. Read some fluffy, funny books while the next 7or so months pass.

MaryMaryVeryContrary · 19/05/2024 22:55

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 19/05/2024 22:37

@MaryMaryVeryContrary interestingly, the same cohort that had "reduced" risks of children with ASD , had more children with non typical development.

What do you mean?

oakleaffy · 19/05/2024 23:06

Seems it's not just on here that people wonder ''Why are so many people autistic nowadays?

A simple google showed this:

Why are so many children autistic these days?
TheFormidableMrsC · 19/05/2024 23:12

bellasmith · 19/05/2024 22:38

tbh I am SOOOO scared of this! I just found out I'm preg and i am scared of so many things. I'm crying every day about it!

My ND child has been an absolute joy. Yes it's been extremely challenging and I've had to learn a lot and make huge sacrifices for him and I'm a lone parent too. I wouldn't change him even if I could. He wouldn't be him without his neurodiversity. You can't spend your pregnancy fearing something that might not happen. See your midwife if this is consuming you.

Nat6999 · 19/05/2024 23:16

Probably a lot more information & knowledge about it, a lot more C sections which is linked to autism. Years ago, the kids who would now be diagnosed with Autism & ADHD were the kids who messed around in school, were thought to be odd or different or were labelled thick. I didn't get diagnosed until I was 53, I'm pretty sure my 85 year old mum is autistic, ds is & my niece & nephew, so there is definitely a genetic link in our family.

Psychoticbreak · 19/05/2024 23:47

@Nat6999 and neither of my csection kids are ND but my one vag birth is ND.

Almost like the only thing is you are born with it. Ask Maybelline!

BlueMoonOnce · 19/05/2024 23:59

I would say that my 90 year old mother is definitely autistic, and has struggled socially all her life, but as we know, women fly under the radar even now.

TheFormidableMrsC · 20/05/2024 00:27

Psychoticbreak · 19/05/2024 23:47

@Nat6999 and neither of my csection kids are ND but my one vag birth is ND.

Almost like the only thing is you are born with it. Ask Maybelline!

My NT child had a traumatic birth. My ND child's birth was perfectly calm and gentle. Go figure.

TheFunHasGone · 20/05/2024 00:47

My ND child was the only one with a great birth too. The only one who wasn't premature as well

lavenderlou · 20/05/2024 04:17

Prenatal vitamins prevent autism? Who knew? Took mine religiously for months before conceiving and during first trimester and I still have a child with autism. I must have been doing it wrong.

Otherstories2002 · 20/05/2024 06:13

elliejjtiny · 19/05/2024 22:38

Lots of reasons. My parents assumed I would never leave home and so did dh's parents. Then we met at university. We are both ND, although I am not autistic. I think more ND people are encouraged to live independent lives and have relationships in a way that didn't happen in the 1960's or even later.

The obvious reason. People relate to people they have things in common with.

Otherstories2002 · 20/05/2024 06:14

Got to be said. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 20/05/2024 06:22

lavenderlou · 20/05/2024 04:17

Prenatal vitamins prevent autism? Who knew? Took mine religiously for months before conceiving and during first trimester and I still have a child with autism. I must have been doing it wrong.

That's why language is important. Even the study says MAY reduce risk.

TigerRag · 20/05/2024 06:22

TheFormidableMrsC · 19/05/2024 22:29

@MrsDeaDea Can you please link evidence for your assertion that autism isn't genetic? Because my son's paediatric consultant disagrees with you.

I understand genetics is the only cause. You're also more likely to have Autism if you have other certain medical conditions. I've got one where the genes are very similar to that of Autism. Virtually everyone I know with my condition (or their children) has an Autism diagnosis too.

Hugmorecats · 20/05/2024 07:16

From the NHS page ‘What is autism?’: https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/autism/what-is-autism/

“Nobody knows what causes autism, or if it has a cause.

It can affect people in the same family. So it may sometimes be passed on to a child by their parents.

Autism is:

  • not caused by bad parenting
  • not caused by vaccines, such as the MMR vaccine
  • not linked to diet
  • not an infection you can spread to other people”

If you are going to argue against this on here, are you an expert in the field?

nhs.uk

What is autism?

Find out what autism is and how it affects people.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/autism/what-is-autism/

AirheadMonent · 20/05/2024 08:42

Psychoticbreak · 19/05/2024 17:31

But if that poster with their thoughts on process food is to be believed surely the fact that a lot of us older people should not have autism as back then our parents fed us non processed foods which were not as available yet here we are anyway with our diagnosis?

I'm surprised nobody's blamed Angel Delight, Dream Topping, Smash and Findus Crispy Pancakes.

Psychoticbreak · 20/05/2024 08:46

@AirheadMonent give it 5 mins lol

BusyMummy001 · 20/05/2024 08:52

AirheadMonent · 20/05/2024 08:42

I'm surprised nobody's blamed Angel Delight, Dream Topping, Smash and Findus Crispy Pancakes.

OMG - I ate all of those things as a kid! Butterscotch angel delight and findus beef crispy pancakes were lush! Smash was bearable with lots of full fat milk an half a pound of butter…

now I know why I’m autistic 🤣

dizzydizzydizzy · 20/05/2024 09:17

FlyingSoap · 19/05/2024 16:32

Imo it’s two things: a combination of increased awareness and therefore more diagnosis, 90% is down to this. The other 10% is probably today’s society. I think diagnoses are given out too readily to some children who may perhaps have other developmental delays due to diet and excess screen time, where if their environment was changed or different from the start you’d see a marked difference.

That's a bizarre theory that 10% of autism diagnoses are handed out to readily. As an autistic person I am actually offended.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 20/05/2024 09:23

I recently went down a rabbit hole reading research about autism and melatonin, trying to work out if it might help my ds’s autistic anxiety even though he doesn’t have trouble getting to sleep.

There was one paper by a Japanese team that convincingly uncovered an association between autism and babies sleeping very badly. This was interesting because my ds was an awful sleeper as a baby. Are they going to say this could help with early diagnosis, I wondered?
But no, they started speculating on whether we could actually PREVENT autism by helping babies sleep better 😳

DilemmaDelilah · 20/05/2024 09:23

I'm autistic - not diagnosed until I was 60. Looking back, I'm pretty sure sure my mother was, perhaps my father and my maternal grandmother.
People masked - I know that mine means that I tend to deal better when there are rules to follow - my upbringing was quite strict, in a loving way, so I always knew what was expected of me, and I went to boarding school before I was eleven, so again there were a lot of rules and I knew what was expected of me. I brought my children up in the way I thought I was expected to.
My mother always did her duty, in that she did what she was expected to do - in bringing up her children, and at work, and socially. I remember her having dinner parties and doing everything very nicely, behaving impeccably, but she never seemed to enjoy them. When there are higher expectations and more rules, it is easier to understand what you need to do. It doesn't make life any more enjoyable, but it is easier to navigate.
Anyone that wasn't able to fit into the 'rules' was labelled as naughty/bad, weird, or mentally unstable. Not autistic.
Nowadays children are given much more freedom to express themselves, to choose what they will and won't eat, there are fewer rules and less of a defined social structure to live within. It is confusing. A child that wouldn't eat what they were given either became malnourished, died, or ended up being forced to eat and developed other issues. That was bad, obviously, but I do think that some children are being given too much choice when it comes to food and other things, it can make things harder, not easier.

And finally - yes I do think that diagnoses are being made more frequently, and earlier, plus it is also being recognised in adults where it just would have been thought of as weird behaviour before, but I also think that more children are on the autistic spectrum than before, perhaps because there is a genetic element and more adults survived childhood to carry on the gene for it.

Charlie2121 · 20/05/2024 09:27

dizzydizzydizzy · 20/05/2024 09:17

That's a bizarre theory that 10% of autism diagnoses are handed out to readily. As an autistic person I am actually offended.

Why would that offend you? Nobody is claiming genuine cases aren’t legitimate.

Many conditions have huge amount of over diagnosis for a range of reasons. Genuine sufferers should want that to stop as over diagnosis stretches available resources.

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