Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

15% of households skipped meals last month because they couldn't afford to buy enough food

1000 replies

cakeorwine · 27/02/2024 07:03

‘Health emergency’: 15% of UK households went hungry last month, data shows | Food poverty | The Guardian

"Millions of people – including one in five families with children – have gone hungry or skipped meals in recent weeks because they could not regularly afford to buy groceries, according to new food insecurity data.
According to the Food Foundation tracker, 15% of UK households – equivalent to approximately 8 million adults and 3 million children – experienced food insecurity in January, as high food prices continued to hit the pockets of low-income families.

Expects warned the persistence of high levels of food insecurity among low-income families was a “health emergency” that would drive the prevalence of conditions linked to poor nutrition, such as malnutrition and rickets.
Nearly two-thirds (60%) of food-insecure households reported buying less fruit and 44% bought fewer vegetables as they struggled with the ongoing cost of living crisis. By contrast, just 11% of food-secure households bought less fruit and 6% purchased fewer vegetables"

This is awful data - and something that should be being talked about. Being in work does not protect you from this. Life is just very expensive for some people - and costs are still going up.

‘Health emergency’: 15% of UK households went hungry last month, data shows

As millions skip meals and are unable to regularly afford groceries, the Food Foundation warns of widening health inequalities

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/27/health-emergency-15-of-uk-households-went-hungry-last-month-data-shows

OP posts:
Thread gallery
20
2dogsandabudgie · 27/02/2024 11:17

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 27/02/2024 11:02

You've got to have money on the gas an electricity meters to cook from scratch. Increasing numbers of food bank users are asking for food that doesn't need heating because they can't afford the energy costs to run the cooker. So we are talking bread, crisps, cans of beans, perhaps tinned fruit, tins of corned beef. This is all a far cry from fresh ingredients.

You still need electricity or gas to cook a pizza.

Eviebeans · 27/02/2024 11:18

justonemorebikkie · 27/02/2024 08:27

And poor people aren't living on burgers and chips - they're not turning their fucking ovens on because they've got no pound coins for the pre-paid electric meter

There are more people living like this than we’d care to acknowledge
kids might not be starving like you see on the news but there are some that aren’t very definitely malnourished - not that they are not eating at all but that what they are eating has little or no nutritional value
its all very well to say well if they or couldn’t they just but by the time you’ve eaten poorly for a while the parents just don’t have the energy or motivation that is needed
this is a sad state of affairs

Milkmani · 27/02/2024 11:18

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

LadyKenya · 27/02/2024 11:19

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 27/02/2024 11:02

You've got to have money on the gas an electricity meters to cook from scratch. Increasing numbers of food bank users are asking for food that doesn't need heating because they can't afford the energy costs to run the cooker. So we are talking bread, crisps, cans of beans, perhaps tinned fruit, tins of corned beef. This is all a far cry from fresh ingredients.

Yes, it is, and of course that will be a major issue for a lot of people. But I am talking about those people that are cooking food, but are making very poor choices. Perhaps I am on the wrong thread for that. I will say though that all of this is a ticking time bomb, children will not benefit in the long run from a poor diet. That should be a Societal concern.

Whatsthesecret · 27/02/2024 11:19

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

It's not a budget for me, my children are long out of my home. This is a standard UK household that would typically use a foodbank.

PeggySooo · 27/02/2024 11:20

What's air fryers got to do with anything? You can cook salmon, chicken, roast veg, etc in them. They don't exclusively cook chips and nuggets.

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2024 11:20

Whatsthesecret · 27/02/2024 10:28

It's not just food you need to buy though. It's everything else, the bin bags, washing up liquid, laundry powder, hand soap, shower gel, shampoo, deodorant, sanitary products, cleaning supplies, transport to and from the supermarket... Which one do you not leave off so you can stock an empty store cupboard with flour and other essentials needed to be able to eat cheaply.

Being poor is expensive.

It is. And all those items you mention carry VAT at 20%. Proportionately the poorest people are taxed most highly through regressive taxes.

2dogsandabudgie · 27/02/2024 11:23

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 27/02/2024 09:07

Even scrambled egg, beans and mashed potato would be better than pizza or chicken nuggets.

But more expensive and time consuming.

Of course it isn't, one 99p pizza isn't going to feed a family of 4.

6 free range eggs £1.50
Bag of potatoes £1.10
2 tins of bins roughly 80p

£3.40 to feed 4 people.

ijustneedtokeepbreathing · 27/02/2024 11:23

I'm surprised this figure isn't higher.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 27/02/2024 11:25

There's a big correlation between being disabled and being poor. Disabled people as a class are more likely to find scratch cooking hard to do and less likely to be able to use money to compensate for that by buying meal prep kits or the healthier types of "ping" meals.

As an example: me, I'm autistic. Today's a really good day for me: I've had a shower and brushed my teeth and got dressed before sitting down to my desk to work, instead of being unwashed and in my dressing gown. I've not had breakfast yet because I didn't have the mental run time to deal with food preparation and also deal with mentally preparing for my first meeting. Brunch will be in a few minutes and will be a shaker of Huel. Dinner will be a shaker of Huel. Supper will be a shaker of Huel. Cooking is an utterly daunting task that I can manage perhaps twice per week, usually at the weekend. When I last heated a pizza, I forgot about it and it burned. This is normal for me.

I also have chronic tendonitis in my wrists. Some days, I cannot hold a knife strongly enough to cut veg even when I have the mental run-time to cook. I use frozen veg to work around this, which means owning a freezer, which meant an initial outlay that many people can't afford. I can't just push through the pain and cut veg anyway because then I can't move my fingers at all and I have to type in my job. A lot of my job involves spreadsheets and databases and you can't do that with dictation software.

There's also the mental load of remembering what goes out-of-date when. It's all very well saying "plan a week's menu and buy to the plan", but when I get home from an office day and don't have the mental run-time to cook, that day's ingredients are wasted.

As disabled people go, I am extraordinarily lucky because I have an above-average paid job that leverages my strengths and so I can afford Huel to cope with the fact I don't have the mental capacity to work and cook. If I couldn't afford Huel, I would be eating toast, pasta, crisps, canned soup: unhealthy high-carb fattening stuff that needs bugger-all effort. This is what unemployed and underemployed disabled people end up eating.

So it's not a case of "just go to the greengrocers and buy cheap veg and scratch cook" because some of us can't.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 27/02/2024 11:27

2dogsandabudgie · 27/02/2024 11:17

You still need electricity or gas to cook a pizza.

Did I mention pizza? I don't think I did in that post or any prior to it.

Frequency · 27/02/2024 11:32

Fairyliz · 27/02/2024 07:08

If this is true why is everyone so fat?
According to lots of health gurus intermittent fasting is the easiest way to lose weight.
They can’t both be true can they?
Given it’s in the Guardian I assume someone has miscalculated the January dieting statistics.

Because a cheap frozen pizza and a bag of frozen chips from Morrisons are a lot cheaper than the ingredients and power needed to make a healthy stew.

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2024 11:33

CeilingGranny · 27/02/2024 11:10

I'm one of them.

Yes, I make food from scratch. I don't have any choice, even though I'm disabled and it's an enormous struggle to do it. A few years ago, I would have got myself a takeaway or had a ready meal on a bad day. Now I either go hungry or I struggle to cook in the kitchen. I'm often in the kitchen with tears in my eyes because of the pain I'm in. It was only about two weeks ago, I ended up on the kitchen floor trying to make something because I collapsed halfway through.

Food is just too expensive. I've got massive bills to pay so food ends up being my last priority. I consider myself to be relatively well off for someone living on benefits because I'm in a HA property and I get significantly more than others because I can't work. But hunger pains are a normal part of my life, as is panic and guilt at the checkout.

That's the thing that really gets me - I feel guilty for buying food.

Total sympathies, @CeilingGranny Flowers

There's some days I couldn't even answer the door to a shopping delivery. And there are some days I've eaten nothing.

OnlyTheBravest · 27/02/2024 11:35

@Whatsthesecret
According to entitled to (no idea if the figures quoted are correct) but here goes.
Single adult with 3 children (6, 4 and 2), not working, living in social housing with a rent of £680 a month. Partner not paying any child support. Living in London.

Incoming
1900 per month from UC

Outgoings
680 - Rent
46 - Council tax
130 - Gas and Electric (DD)
30 - Water (DD)
30 - Internet
15 - Mobile
50 - Monthly bus and tram pass
8 - Disney+
13 - TV licence
100 - Loan payments

Disposable Income - £798

In this scenario the DI should be enough to budget for food plus emergencies.

Frequency · 27/02/2024 11:39

Does anyone pay £46 a month on CT? I would love to live somewhere where CT was that cheap. I pay 3x that and I live nowhere near London.

PuttingDownRoots · 27/02/2024 11:40

£680 rent a month? Sure thats not a week? Even in Yorkshire that would be cheap.

lifebeginsaftercoffee · 27/02/2024 11:43

mjf981 · 27/02/2024 09:58

For those looking for ideas - rolled oats for breakfast are very cheap. Add a splash of milk, yoghurt, honey and cinnamon. I've been eating it for years. High in fibre and filling.

That's cheap if you have all the other ingredients - what if you don't?

Milkmani · 27/02/2024 11:43

Whatsthesecret · 27/02/2024 11:19

It's not a budget for me, my children are long out of my home. This is a standard UK household that would typically use a foodbank.

I have had to use the food bank in the past, it’s not the best but it can help when times are tough. For 3 years I did fruit and vegetables picking as full time work. For another four years I did it in the summer using my annual leave from my other job to work my fruit picking job and save money. Strange I didn’t meet any English there except for the farmer and his family. Not a single English man to do that job - it pays well but is extremely tiring working. Most work that the uneducated English are suitable to is ‘beneath’ them and they would rather be at home. All the Eastern European and and Polish came here to ‘steal’ all the English jobs so now lazy English people have to sit at home on benefits and moan. I don’t ask the government to pay my mortgage or childcare which I struggle to pay. People see this underbelly of people who don’t want to work and suck the state dry, many working people can’t make ends meet but this is just it - they are propping up the non-workers.

Menomeno · 27/02/2024 11:44

2dogsandabudgie · 27/02/2024 11:23

Of course it isn't, one 99p pizza isn't going to feed a family of 4.

6 free range eggs £1.50
Bag of potatoes £1.10
2 tins of bins roughly 80p

£3.40 to feed 4 people.

That’s £23.80 per week, assuming they eat that every day. If your food budget is £100 a month you’ve already almost gone over just on the evening meal alone. What pays for breakfast, lunches, snacks and drinks?

Carnewb · 27/02/2024 11:45

@Frequency

I think that'll be what the person is expected to pay after CT benefit or any deductions are applied?

@PuttingDownRoots

I agree that is cheap even for SH in London I pay £450 a month in SH in a backwater in the North East, but maybe it's the same as the CT as above that it's what the person paid from their income after the HB etc is applied?

OnlyTheBravest · 27/02/2024 11:46

PuttingDownRoots · 27/02/2024 11:40

£680 rent a month? Sure thats not a week? Even in Yorkshire that would be cheap.

Yes that is a month for social housing 2 bed roughly.

Oneofthesurvivors · 27/02/2024 11:48

Milkmani · 27/02/2024 10:47

Yep, been there myself in very hard times. Slow cooker is very economical and it’s not ‘filling’ to feed your family processed crap like frozen pizzas. But people simply won’t believe it. They don’t believe some of use choose to cook from scratch with limited funds using cheap, fresh ingredients. They assume we all want a frozen pizza or may own an air fryer. Air fryers are going to be number one on the cancer causing list one day I’m sure. They want us to be chomping on cheap biscuits, microwave lasagnes and crisps. They won’t hear of people who have actually experienced poverty during childhood and then managed to come out the other side with good budgeting skills and cooking healthy meals.

Why would air fryers cause cancer?

Menomeno · 27/02/2024 11:50

OnlyTheBravest · 27/02/2024 11:35

@Whatsthesecret
According to entitled to (no idea if the figures quoted are correct) but here goes.
Single adult with 3 children (6, 4 and 2), not working, living in social housing with a rent of £680 a month. Partner not paying any child support. Living in London.

Incoming
1900 per month from UC

Outgoings
680 - Rent
46 - Council tax
130 - Gas and Electric (DD)
30 - Water (DD)
30 - Internet
15 - Mobile
50 - Monthly bus and tram pass
8 - Disney+
13 - TV licence
100 - Loan payments

Disposable Income - £798

In this scenario the DI should be enough to budget for food plus emergencies.

And those in privately rented accommodation? You can add another £1000 to that rent.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 27/02/2024 11:55

CeilingGranny · 27/02/2024 11:10

I'm one of them.

Yes, I make food from scratch. I don't have any choice, even though I'm disabled and it's an enormous struggle to do it. A few years ago, I would have got myself a takeaway or had a ready meal on a bad day. Now I either go hungry or I struggle to cook in the kitchen. I'm often in the kitchen with tears in my eyes because of the pain I'm in. It was only about two weeks ago, I ended up on the kitchen floor trying to make something because I collapsed halfway through.

Food is just too expensive. I've got massive bills to pay so food ends up being my last priority. I consider myself to be relatively well off for someone living on benefits because I'm in a HA property and I get significantly more than others because I can't work. But hunger pains are a normal part of my life, as is panic and guilt at the checkout.

That's the thing that really gets me - I feel guilty for buying food.

If you have a freezer, using frozen veg will change your life. No chopping and no worrying about spoilage.

I completely understand where you are coming from.

People don't understand, or do understand but don't care, that any povvo-bashing thread is inherently disablist because disabled people are so much more likely to be poor.

CeilingGranny · 27/02/2024 11:56

AutumnCrow · 27/02/2024 11:33

Total sympathies, @CeilingGranny Flowers

There's some days I couldn't even answer the door to a shopping delivery. And there are some days I've eaten nothing.

Sympathy from me too 🌺🌺

Yes, I know the feeling of not being able to take in a food shop. Not being able to go out also means you can't get any yellow sticker items that might help stock a freezer. And of course, it means you can't use a food bank.

Then not eating makes you even more ill and even more unable to do these things.

Plus, there's absolutely no chance of being able to eat a diet that might improve my symptoms.

It's very frustrating to continually read posts that I'm just not trying hard enough to not go hungry 😑

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.