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15% of households skipped meals last month because they couldn't afford to buy enough food

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cakeorwine · 27/02/2024 07:03

‘Health emergency’: 15% of UK households went hungry last month, data shows | Food poverty | The Guardian

"Millions of people – including one in five families with children – have gone hungry or skipped meals in recent weeks because they could not regularly afford to buy groceries, according to new food insecurity data.
According to the Food Foundation tracker, 15% of UK households – equivalent to approximately 8 million adults and 3 million children – experienced food insecurity in January, as high food prices continued to hit the pockets of low-income families.

Expects warned the persistence of high levels of food insecurity among low-income families was a “health emergency” that would drive the prevalence of conditions linked to poor nutrition, such as malnutrition and rickets.
Nearly two-thirds (60%) of food-insecure households reported buying less fruit and 44% bought fewer vegetables as they struggled with the ongoing cost of living crisis. By contrast, just 11% of food-secure households bought less fruit and 6% purchased fewer vegetables"

This is awful data - and something that should be being talked about. Being in work does not protect you from this. Life is just very expensive for some people - and costs are still going up.

‘Health emergency’: 15% of UK households went hungry last month, data shows

As millions skip meals and are unable to regularly afford groceries, the Food Foundation warns of widening health inequalities

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/27/health-emergency-15-of-uk-households-went-hungry-last-month-data-shows

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BringItOnxxx · 28/02/2024 22:10

Resilience · 28/02/2024 21:37

I don't think the black-and-white thinking about poverty is helpful. Yes there are common themes but there are so many different factors at play.

Some people end up in poverty through a change in circumstance. If this is permanent disability or long-term ill health it can be permanently life changing but otherwise this is the group most likely to be able to pull themselves out of poverty given time. They'll be the ones with the well-adapted strategies to coping that can help them manage the situation. However, they can get trapped as well. If, for example you have pets and a car your benefit money will disappear in no time as it was never designed to include these sorts of costs. But getting rid of the pets can be heartbreaking (particularly when they are an emotional anchor, especially for children) and getting rid of the car might mean isolating yourself from job opportunities. So you carry on paying for them. The money gets tighter. Then the washing machine breaks. It gets put on a credit card because at this stage you still have access to credit. But now you have a debt to service too, so your money goes less far again. Then the kids need new shoes, so the credit card balance creeps up more than you've been able to pay it down. The debt needs more servicing and the benefits don't cover everything. You give up the car to save insurance costs, petrol etc but now you have to spend money on buses, shop more locally and more expensively and there are fewer job opportunities. The small amount of money you got back for the car quickly runs out topping up these extra costs, clearing the credit card, replacing a few household items long overdue, buying the kids their (secondhand) winter coats and new clothes because they've outgrown everything. And now they need new shoes again and it's Christmas/one of their birthdays. You have £10 to feed the 3 of you for a week. Iceland is the only shop you don't have to spend money to get to. They are offering BOGOF on pizza, nuggets and chips. You can get 4 or 5 meals for £5. Buy the cheapest loaf of bread for £1, cheap marge and some cheap ham and yoghurts for packed lunches. Over £8 now. Need some milk too. Pennies left. You have no flour, tinned tomatoes, herbs or oil in the cupboard to consider buying veg/pasta and cooking from scratch. £3 on spices, £1 flour, £1 oil before you add any actual ingredients, think about packed lunches or milk...

Benefits are set at a rate you can live on reasonably well in the short term only and only if you live in a well-appointed urban area with good public transport. The minute an unexpected cost crops up things can spiral very quickly indeed. And that's assuming no one has any additional needs which further push up costs.

Then we have people who may never have been taught or experienced some of the skills some people seem to think are innate. Or who may be so used to spending all their mental energy trying to feel safe, managing the behaviour of those around them, managing their own issues etc that there's nothing left over for planning food prep or a long term strategy for getting out of poverty.

Everyone's story is unique and in my professional and personal capacity I've seen a lot of them. What I do know is that very few people 'feed their kids crap' because they're lazy. There is usually an explanation if you care to look for it rather than write people off.

That's a really good explanation

BringItOnxxx · 28/02/2024 22:15

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 28/02/2024 21:55

How about £55 per week for a family of mum, dad, boy (13), girl (5)?
We could start a new thread and see if anyone can manage something edible.
21 breakfasts
11 lunches
21 dinners
Then there's a fiver a week left for toiletries and cleaning stuff.

I'm really looking forward to hearing from @2dogsandabudgie

Also perhaps @2dogsandabudgie could provide a breakdown for how they would apportion a budget of £75 a week for food, bills, clothes and travel as that what a single person? (or £60 for under 25).

threatmatrix · 28/02/2024 22:15

Queijo · 27/02/2024 07:12

Did you really just sit there and type that?? Is that honestly the first place your mind went to?

Children are starving in this country because their parents cannot afford food and you think that’s a good thing?

What the fuck.

Why are people having children they can’t afford to feed. They get benefits to feed their children. My friend is a single parent to two children ( partner ran off) she claims the same benefits everyone else does, her kids are never starving.

Frequency · 28/02/2024 22:18

threatmatrix · 28/02/2024 22:15

Why are people having children they can’t afford to feed. They get benefits to feed their children. My friend is a single parent to two children ( partner ran off) she claims the same benefits everyone else does, her kids are never starving.

Well in my case I wasn't really planning on their dad dying of sudden unexplained death when he was only 42, but that's just me.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 22:18

Butterdishy · 28/02/2024 21:29

Or pets...

I could say "or kids". Everyone not having kids just in case they lost their jobs would have the Govt going full Ceausescu within two years.

Decree 770 - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 22:21

threatmatrix · 28/02/2024 22:15

Why are people having children they can’t afford to feed. They get benefits to feed their children. My friend is a single parent to two children ( partner ran off) she claims the same benefits everyone else does, her kids are never starving.

I refer you to my immediately previous post. In simple terms: sometimes people wait until they can afford kids, then they have kids, then something bad happens and they can't afford the kids any more.

If we all stopped having kids just in case that happened, the Govt would force us to have kids because the Govt wants new citizens to be born.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 22:23

Naptrappedmummy · 28/02/2024 22:10

I really don’t want housing estates built over our remaining greenfield land.

This may be a surprise to you, but housing isn't the only way to turn a profit on land.

Carnewb · 28/02/2024 22:23

They tie themselves into expensive contracts for non essential items without a thought for how they will continue to pay for it if they become ill or lose their job.

Like what non-essentials? Smartphones are essential now. I've seen care workers expected to install monitoring apps on their personal smartphones.I'mexpected to install a multifactor authentication app on mypersonalsmartphone for work. I'm lucky enough that my skill set is rare enough that I could push back and insist on a fob. A NMW care worker on zero hours can't use a fob to be tracked and if she insists that her employer buy her a phone, she'll mysteriously get zero hours forever from that point, because that's how zero hours employers fire people.

Well exactly, I need my smart phone for similar reasons and have been told when my £10 a month PAYG deal runs out 3 days before payday it's 'unacceptable' that I haven't got access to what they need me to have access to, but don't want to pay for.
Add to that the one uniform top provided, and the policy it must be freshly laundered for each shift at 60° and of course dried and ironed in the 8 or so hours between shifts and then the trousers and shoes that must be this and that, to promote the company image, and of course you're dealing with bodily fluids and quite often they end up stained (so more money for stain remover and that doesn't work) so you need a new one at your own expense because you've had your one from the company. And you get minimum wage as well, so not even compensated in the wage for those outgoings that the company stipulate but won't pay for lest it cut into profits.

So many low waged workers are subsidising services in this way, enabling profits and struggling to pay the ever increasing costs of living but nope, they're just lazy and stupid and buying non essentials whilst they moan they're hungry and can't afford food, so much easier to think that than face the uncomfortable truth that you condone doing this to someone else as long as the services you want and need are available when you want them.

dimllaishebiaith · 28/02/2024 22:24

threatmatrix · 28/02/2024 22:15

Why are people having children they can’t afford to feed. They get benefits to feed their children. My friend is a single parent to two children ( partner ran off) she claims the same benefits everyone else does, her kids are never starving.

I don't have kids but if someone had in my situation then:

Several years ago I became disabled in an accident. Overnight I could no longer do the job that I had spent years building a career in. I went from a decent income to being on disability benefits. My income nosedived but my bills etc stayed the same because you cannot instantly change your life to meet your new commitments overnight. We burnt through our savings and ended up massively in debt that took years to claw our way out of.

I ended up retraining and now I have a decent salary which is awesome but a different disability might have made that impossible. If I had been single on disability benefits it would have been impossible. My DH worked overtime and weekends for years to pay for my retraining. If he had had to become my carer this would have been impossible.

If I did have children I would have gone from being comfortably able to feed them to being unable in a very short space of time. And Im not alone in this story by any means. And I have no doubt if I had had kids at some point I would have been that person being sneered at for having kids I couldnt afford as if I should have had the foresight to know I would be in an accident

usernamealreadytaken · 28/02/2024 22:25

Whereshallwelivee · 27/02/2024 07:38

Can you honestly not work that out?

I could go to farm foods and stock up on frozen shit full of empty carbs, seed oils, cheap processed meats padded out with fillers, artificial sweeteners, other additives that would make us all fat and loads of cheap, breaded shit for a fraction of the price it would cost for fresh meat, fruit, vegetables and nuts.

Plus its cheaper to prepare and cook processed foods. A bag of frozen chips and burger patties, full of rapeseed oil is far cheaper and quicker to actually cook than a bag of lentils, tomatoes and spices to make a shedload of healthy daal.

Who doesn’t understand that?

Or you could go to Farmfoods and buy one pack of sausages and several packs of frozen veg. Still quick and easy to cook.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 22:26

Naptrappedmummy · 28/02/2024 21:53

Oh come on hardly fair to then add an array of conditions that don’t apply to 99% of the population is it?!

Don't apply to 99% of the population? Do your homework before asserting "facts".

The global prevalence of food allergies is 7% and climbing.

dimllaishebiaith · 28/02/2024 22:27

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 22:26

Don't apply to 99% of the population? Do your homework before asserting "facts".

The global prevalence of food allergies is 7% and climbing.

I would imagine from the level of empathy displayed from some of the posts on these threads theres probably an underlying thought from some that the poor shouldn't be allowed allergies and they are just being weak and lazy but catering to them

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2024 22:33

usernamealreadytaken · 28/02/2024 22:25

Or you could go to Farmfoods and buy one pack of sausages and several packs of frozen veg. Still quick and easy to cook.

Oh, aren’t sausages processed any more?

usernamealreadytaken · 28/02/2024 22:37

Menomeno · 27/02/2024 08:48

It’s not filling. It’s soup. Might be okay for a quick lunch but not enough for the main meal of the day.

What next, gruel for breakfast?

A 99p pizza isn’t a filling or nutritious meal for more than one person either.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 22:38

Resilience · 28/02/2024 21:37

I don't think the black-and-white thinking about poverty is helpful. Yes there are common themes but there are so many different factors at play.

Some people end up in poverty through a change in circumstance. If this is permanent disability or long-term ill health it can be permanently life changing but otherwise this is the group most likely to be able to pull themselves out of poverty given time. They'll be the ones with the well-adapted strategies to coping that can help them manage the situation. However, they can get trapped as well. If, for example you have pets and a car your benefit money will disappear in no time as it was never designed to include these sorts of costs. But getting rid of the pets can be heartbreaking (particularly when they are an emotional anchor, especially for children) and getting rid of the car might mean isolating yourself from job opportunities. So you carry on paying for them. The money gets tighter. Then the washing machine breaks. It gets put on a credit card because at this stage you still have access to credit. But now you have a debt to service too, so your money goes less far again. Then the kids need new shoes, so the credit card balance creeps up more than you've been able to pay it down. The debt needs more servicing and the benefits don't cover everything. You give up the car to save insurance costs, petrol etc but now you have to spend money on buses, shop more locally and more expensively and there are fewer job opportunities. The small amount of money you got back for the car quickly runs out topping up these extra costs, clearing the credit card, replacing a few household items long overdue, buying the kids their (secondhand) winter coats and new clothes because they've outgrown everything. And now they need new shoes again and it's Christmas/one of their birthdays. You have £10 to feed the 3 of you for a week. Iceland is the only shop you don't have to spend money to get to. They are offering BOGOF on pizza, nuggets and chips. You can get 4 or 5 meals for £5. Buy the cheapest loaf of bread for £1, cheap marge and some cheap ham and yoghurts for packed lunches. Over £8 now. Need some milk too. Pennies left. You have no flour, tinned tomatoes, herbs or oil in the cupboard to consider buying veg/pasta and cooking from scratch. £3 on spices, £1 flour, £1 oil before you add any actual ingredients, think about packed lunches or milk...

Benefits are set at a rate you can live on reasonably well in the short term only and only if you live in a well-appointed urban area with good public transport. The minute an unexpected cost crops up things can spiral very quickly indeed. And that's assuming no one has any additional needs which further push up costs.

Then we have people who may never have been taught or experienced some of the skills some people seem to think are innate. Or who may be so used to spending all their mental energy trying to feel safe, managing the behaviour of those around them, managing their own issues etc that there's nothing left over for planning food prep or a long term strategy for getting out of poverty.

Everyone's story is unique and in my professional and personal capacity I've seen a lot of them. What I do know is that very few people 'feed their kids crap' because they're lazy. There is usually an explanation if you care to look for it rather than write people off.

This is a fantastic explanation.

But getting rid of the pets can be heartbreaking

I have suicide plans for when DCat dies. I left home without him for a year and Mum says that he pined. When I went to visit, he sulked but then searched for me and cried after I left. He refused to go near her, but he will sit on me. I could not ever rehome him, I couldn't put him through being separated from me again. And I wouldn't survive it myself. I would go hungry, sell my car, sell my trumpet, sell my TV, even sell blowjobs to keep him.

(particularly when they are an emotional anchor, especially for children)

Research paper about how having cats benefits autistic children.

Or who may be so used to spending all their mental energy trying to feel safe, managing the behaviour of those around them, managing their own issues etc that there's nothing left over for planning food prep or a long term strategy for getting out of poverty.

See also: existing whilst autistic.

Affectionate Interactions of Cats with Children Having Autism Spectrum Disorder

Mental and physical benefits of dogs have been reported for adults and children with special needs, but less is known about benefits of cats for children. A cat that can be held by a child could provide important therapeutic companionship for children...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5862067

threatmatrix · 28/02/2024 22:38

Frequency · 28/02/2024 22:18

Well in my case I wasn't really planning on their dad dying of sudden unexplained death when he was only 42, but that's just me.

If you’d read what I wrote I also said about my friend. You know very well the people I meant but just had to try and vilify me anyway. Next time read it all and if you have a problem understanding me just ask 😘

usernamealreadytaken · 28/02/2024 22:38

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2024 22:33

Oh, aren’t sausages processed any more?

They are, but a couple of sausages with lots of veg is a reasonable meal. I know very few people who will eat unprocessed chicken, pork or beef every night.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 22:38

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2024 22:33

Oh, aren’t sausages processed any more?

😂

threatmatrix · 28/02/2024 22:40

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 22:21

I refer you to my immediately previous post. In simple terms: sometimes people wait until they can afford kids, then they have kids, then something bad happens and they can't afford the kids any more.

If we all stopped having kids just in case that happened, the Govt would force us to have kids because the Govt wants new citizens to be born.

I’ll reiterate, if you had read and understood my post I also mentioned my friend whose partner ran off. You know the type of people I’m talking about. I also said she manages to feed her children very well on the benefits most are entitled to. The post is about feeding children.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 22:41

dimllaishebiaith · 28/02/2024 22:27

I would imagine from the level of empathy displayed from some of the posts on these threads theres probably an underlying thought from some that the poor shouldn't be allowed allergies and they are just being weak and lazy but catering to them

I suspect an underlying attitude that the poor aren't allowed to be disabled either and they are being weak and lazy by catering for those as well.

And as for mental health problems, well, the Daily Mail frothing will commence if you mention those.

Menomeno · 28/02/2024 22:42

usernamealreadytaken · 28/02/2024 22:37

A 99p pizza isn’t a filling or nutritious meal for more than one person either.

I’d already clarified that I meant two young children.

usernamealreadytaken · 28/02/2024 22:43

Menomeno · 28/02/2024 22:42

I’d already clarified that I meant two young children.

So what does the parent eat?

Frequency · 28/02/2024 22:46

usernamealreadytaken · 28/02/2024 22:43

So what does the parent eat?

Nothing. That's the whole point of the thread.

15% of households have skipped at least one meal last month to reduce costs because they could not afford to pay for everything they needed to pay for.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/02/2024 22:47

2dogsandabudgie · 28/02/2024 18:21

Oh FFS no wonder this country is so fucked up! How do you know they have even got kids. Jesus fucking Christ. I've heard it all now.

Talk about a wilful misreading.

If a parent is feckless and spends all their money on lotto tickets in the vain hope that they will win and all their troubles be over, and then they go to the food bank, which is worse: giving them a food parcel so that the kids get fed, or not giving them one and the kids going hungry?

If someone asked me if I was "happy" to see the former, I'd say "yes" too. "Happy" is relative and in this context we are looking at "least worst".

Menomeno · 28/02/2024 22:48

threatmatrix · 28/02/2024 22:40

I’ll reiterate, if you had read and understood my post I also mentioned my friend whose partner ran off. You know the type of people I’m talking about. I also said she manages to feed her children very well on the benefits most are entitled to. The post is about feeding children.

You do know that not everyone on benefits have exactly the same circumstances? LHA allowances differ wildly. Some people will have 80% of their rent covered by housing benefit, but in another area it won’t cover 1/3, meaning you have to make up the difference yourself from your UC. Some
parents get a decent chunk of maintenance from exPs, others get nothing. Some have lots of debt, others don’t.

Just because your friend managed on benefits, doesn’t mean that everyone can because every case is different.

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