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Americans are lazy cooks

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Dogonthebed · 28/11/2023 22:32

I’m an avid Pinterest collector of recipes. I see something I like the look of then pin to that’s week meal plan only to find out it is an American recipe Recipe stretching it as they seem to have shortcuts for everything we can’t get in the UK. Can they actually cook? It is the equivalent of us making a cottage pie from a Coleman mix. Anyone else find it bizarre how much help they get for basic recipes then having the cheek to set up a blog as recipes??? They could just read the back of the instructions fgs!

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mathanxiety · 29/11/2023 17:27

Goldenbear · 29/11/2023 16:54

Yes, I knew that unpasteurised cheese is available but isn't it in certain states and also aren't the processes European, i.e they are European imports or British they aren't authentic American cheese as that is the processed type?

There is a 'cheese' called "American cheese". It may have been developed by NASA - I don't really know or care about its origins. It's the plastic cheese so many sneer at. A little like the Irish Calvita cheese of my youth.

The rest of the cheeses, some excellent, some not so hot, that you find in America are not "American cheese". There is a huge variety of cheese made in America.

Availability of raw milk varies according to state, and there are varying regs even among states that permit it. Raw cheese can be bought if aged at least 60 days. I buy raw cheese at my local Farmer's Market and it's also available in my local supermarkets.
I can also buy raw honey everywhere.

Goldenbear · 29/11/2023 17:30

My Mum continued this disinterest when she had us but through in some vegetables. I only remember one family in the 1980s/90s suburban London childhood where the Mum did care and did things like cut Sandwiches in to four triangles, lined them up against each other with a cocktail stick through the middle and then a crescent of crisps on the side. She also did cooked loads of fancy American burgers and hotdog style dinners when we had chicken and pear casserole with peas to go home to!

Goldenbear · 29/11/2023 17:35

mathanxiety · 29/11/2023 17:27

There is a 'cheese' called "American cheese". It may have been developed by NASA - I don't really know or care about its origins. It's the plastic cheese so many sneer at. A little like the Irish Calvita cheese of my youth.

The rest of the cheeses, some excellent, some not so hot, that you find in America are not "American cheese". There is a huge variety of cheese made in America.

Availability of raw milk varies according to state, and there are varying regs even among states that permit it. Raw cheese can be bought if aged at least 60 days. I buy raw cheese at my local Farmer's Market and it's also available in my local supermarkets.
I can also buy raw honey everywhere.

That's interesting, great to be able to get raw honey. I don't think that is as easy here or maybe I am just a lazy person that doesn't go to many farm shops😬

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mathanxiety · 29/11/2023 17:37

Cloudisi · 29/11/2023 16:53

blogs of women with gel nails

Yeah, because you can't have gel nails and cook from scratch?

I think you might find them more of a hindrance than an asset if you were kneading dough or rubbing in butter.

GarlicMaybeNot · 29/11/2023 17:42

Goldenbear · 29/11/2023 17:35

That's interesting, great to be able to get raw honey. I don't think that is as easy here or maybe I am just a lazy person that doesn't go to many farm shops😬

You probably have it already 🐝

Is Rowse honey raw / unpasteurised / cold filtered or heated as part of the preparation?

The UK (and formerly EU) honey regulations don’t allow honey packers to heat honey to pasteurisation temperatures as this may destroy the natural enzymes that have to be present to be lawfully declared as honey.

All our honeys arrive at Rowse in their natural state and we gently warm them through to filter out bee wax or hive parts. The honey we pack into our bottles and jars is pure and natural and never pasteurised.

The term “raw” isn’t recognised in the UK (and formerly EU) honey regulations and we believe the term is misleading, therefore it is not used by Rowse in its labelling, marketing or website.

https://rowsehoney.co.uk/faqs#about

FAQs | Rowse Honey

Discover the natural wonder of our 100% pure and natural honeys

https://rowsehoney.co.uk/faqs#about

MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot · 29/11/2023 17:43

mathanxiety · 29/11/2023 16:42

Correct. It doesn't weigh the same as a cup of cream.

Nobody is claiming that American cup measures are measurements of weight. They are measurements of volume.

A cup of flour weighs just under five ounces, or approximately 127 grams. If a recipe calls for ten ounces or 300 grams of flour, you use two cups.

Basically, the recipe you use will come with all the right proportions of ingredients, which you measure by volume, not weight.

If you look on TikTok or the blogs of women with gel nails for your recipes of course you'll find all sorts of ungodly crap. If you look at sites like Food, Allrecipes, Bon Appetit, and a host of others, you'll find proper recipes for real food. Millions of great recipes, with huge numbers of reviews...

I don't see the recipes or blogs you refer to, because the algorithm brings me to sites that are not shite.

Well that was an unnecessarily rude and nasty response. I don’t think the OP was being vicious and you have repeatedly hijacked the thread with rude responses.

I don’t know what people are talking about with American-bashing, it’s not something I’ve seen on here so I’m not sure you need to be so defensive. It is hard to follow American recipes without the measuring cups, ingenious sticks of butter etc. live and let live. And for fuck’s sake, unclench.

Goldenbear · 29/11/2023 17:47

GarlicMaybeNot · 29/11/2023 17:42

You probably have it already 🐝

Is Rowse honey raw / unpasteurised / cold filtered or heated as part of the preparation?

The UK (and formerly EU) honey regulations don’t allow honey packers to heat honey to pasteurisation temperatures as this may destroy the natural enzymes that have to be present to be lawfully declared as honey.

All our honeys arrive at Rowse in their natural state and we gently warm them through to filter out bee wax or hive parts. The honey we pack into our bottles and jars is pure and natural and never pasteurised.

The term “raw” isn’t recognised in the UK (and formerly EU) honey regulations and we believe the term is misleading, therefore it is not used by Rowse in its labelling, marketing or website.

https://rowsehoney.co.uk/faqs#about

😁goodness that has just highlighted how much interest I take in cooking. I don't need to as my DH is obsessed and spends way too much on his creations!

Ruthietuthie · 29/11/2023 17:48

@Crimpolene, that's because Ann Romney is Mormon and the book was probably designed to appeal to a Mormon audience... VERY big families, plus a focus on food storage - so lots of cans. Look up "Mormon funeral potatoes" for example.
You can find many good cook books that aren't like this at all!

catwithflowers · 29/11/2023 17:52

One of my favourite recipe sites at the moment is American. The author mostly writes about Asian dishes and the few I've tried are fab. The dish I'm making tonight is a fried chicken dish with a gochujang sticky sauce. Yes, I bought the gochujang paste from an Asian supermarket but everything else reads like any good recipe, down to marinading the chicken, making the coating, loads of different (fresh) ingredients going into the sauce.

I don't think you can brand a whole nation as junk food eaters 😳

mathanxiety · 29/11/2023 17:55

@MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot

Do you honestly not see the offensiveness of your post, which I quoted?
'Aunt Fanny's (whatever) corn syrup' - hello??

As to rude? No, merely correcting the baffling ignorance on this thread, and challenging the ugly stereotypes, while also trying to throw some light on the difference between weight and volume that so many here seem to have a problem with.

mathanxiety · 29/11/2023 17:56

LeopardPJS · 29/11/2023 14:48

Saw one recently which was supposed to be a soup recipe and it had an entire packet of shop-bought fresh tortellini as one of the 'ingredients', I was so confused

Presumably you make all your tortellini by hand?

FoxClocks · 29/11/2023 18:08

It cracks me up that British people are on here acting all superior, we are the land of fry up and beans on toast. Only Italians can get away with acting this snooty and we know even they don't all cook like their Nonnas did.

WhatNoUsername · 29/11/2023 18:13

Circumferences · 28/11/2023 22:41

Oh my god as soon as I click on a recipe and read the words
"A tablespoon of butter"
Or "2 cups of heavy cream"
I run a mile.

Not because I don't like cream or butter, it's not that, it's who on earth uses a tablespoon to measure butter?? - American cooks. That's who.
And I don't use cups I use grams. Actual measurements.

I know. It's so difficult to measure out a tbsp of butter. Why on earth would anyone use this as the default?!?

Goldenbear · 29/11/2023 18:20

FoxClocks · 29/11/2023 18:08

It cracks me up that British people are on here acting all superior, we are the land of fry up and beans on toast. Only Italians can get away with acting this snooty and we know even they don't all cook like their Nonnas did.

What is wrong with an English Breakfast? I have Scandinavian heritage and certain preferences have been handed down through the generations, I wouldn't say they were particular more interesting than the British food.

GarlicMaybeNot · 29/11/2023 18:24

This thread sent me down a rabbit-hole of American recipes 😂 And, yes, I did find a whole lot of - erm, quasi-food (sorry) made largely of pre-processed, packaged stuff.

It's also notable that those things have become so embedded in traditional American cuisine, keen cooks are taught how to make replacements from scratch - green bean casserole being my prize example. If you don't use condensed soup, you've got to make a heavy cream of mushroom soup - which you will then pour over green beans and bake. What a crime!

The dish was invented by Campbell's but is now such an essential part of Thanksgiving, the conscientious American cook must spend an hour (and a lot more money) on substituting it. It's a triumph of marketing over both tradition and sense.

Anyway - I settled on Delish as a good online source of American food made from actual food, without superfluous sugar. I'm still somewhat shaken by the amount of butter, cream and cheese in practically everything! Their low-carb section is the only one I'd eat from on a regular basis - not for the low carb aspect; I'm happy to eat wheat pasta - because it isn't heavily gummed up with dairy fats.

10 things you didn’t know about Green Bean Casserole - Campbell Soup Company

Since the 1950s, Green Bean Casserole has been a classic side dish devoured by millions of Americans every holiday season. Sheila Miller, who manages our Campbell Test Kitchen, serves up 10 things you didn’t know about this iconic side dish. 1. Green B...

https://www.campbellsoupcompany.com/newsroom/campbells-history/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-green-bean-casserole/

mathanxiety · 29/11/2023 18:25

BabaBarrio · 29/11/2023 00:16

I recall one show where the mum made spaghetti sauce by mixing ketchup with melted butter!

That was Mama June, the mother of Honey Boo Boo. The series was a fine example of car crash TV, focusing on the people involved in the child beauty pageant world. Mama June got her own spinoff.

Most Americans found it astonishing, to put it mildly. Ditto Jersey Shore.

GarlicMaybeNot · 29/11/2023 18:29

The "raw honey" question highlighted what is, to me, the most glaring difference between a standard American diet and a UK/EU diet. Lots of US foods are illegal here.

We don't have "raw honey" because the pasteurised product - what Americans think of as normal honey - can't be sold as honey here. ALL our honey is "raw".

This is one of the very big reasons to resist erosion of EU protocols in Brexit Britain. We want our food to be what it says it is!

mathanxiety · 29/11/2023 18:30

On the subject of green bean casserole - how come cauliflower cheese is acceptable?

Disclaimer: I've never had a green bean casserole, either at home or anywhere else I've celebrated a winter holiday. My American exMIL who became a housewife in the 1950s never made one. None of the ILs ever made one either.

mathanxiety · 29/11/2023 18:33

@WhatNoUsername

There have been several explanations of the packaging of butter in America, and even a photo.

No actual tablespoons are required.

YouJustDoYou · 29/11/2023 18:36

Dogonthebed · 28/11/2023 22:32

I’m an avid Pinterest collector of recipes. I see something I like the look of then pin to that’s week meal plan only to find out it is an American recipe Recipe stretching it as they seem to have shortcuts for everything we can’t get in the UK. Can they actually cook? It is the equivalent of us making a cottage pie from a Coleman mix. Anyone else find it bizarre how much help they get for basic recipes then having the cheek to set up a blog as recipes??? They could just read the back of the instructions fgs!

Never felt that at all.

GarlicMaybeNot · 29/11/2023 18:44

You know, British butter used to have lines on the side of the pack as well, so you could easily slice off 25g, 50g. I wondered why this had stopped. Thought it may be something to do with the switch to foil wrappers, but it's working in their favour now we've got shrinkflation 😬

dreamingbohemian · 29/11/2023 18:50

As an American I've never had condensed mushroom soup in my life, I do think it's somewhat regional/generational

HarrietStyles · 29/11/2023 18:59

I was once in the US and watched a TV Cookery show called something like “Semi Home-made” and the host had a supermarket pie, she scraped out the filling and threw it in the bin, just had the pastry base left. Then she opened up a can of pumpkin pie filling, tipped it in and then put some decorations on the top. We were absolutely astounded watching it 😂

poetryandwine · 29/11/2023 19:13

I am from a European country with cooking many Mumsnetters claim to love. Having lived in America for about 15 years and now the UK for a bit less, I find the anti-American posts on this thread very weird and inaccurate.

Up and down West Coast, the produce even in Safeway simply puts ours to shame, although yes it can be very expensive. Of course Whole Foods, greengrocers and farmers’ markets are even better, but priced accordingly. However ethnic markets in urban neighbourhoods - especially Latino and Asian - can have incredible produce, meat and fish at reasonable prices. (This is similar to the UK, but there is more abundance in the US)

Thanks to PPs for explaining the concept of measurement by volume. I really did not have the energy.

Three of my favourite online cooking resources are Serious Eats, the NY Times Recipe Collection (one must be selective) and Cooks Illustrated. Also Epicurious and Food52 (be selective with the latter). We have some fabulous chefs in Britain , but the only reliable user friendly, multi-author British site I find myself using as often is BBC Good Food.

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