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Schools facing catastrophic winter

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noblegiraffe · 31/08/2022 10:18

Schools are starting their Autumn term facing an unprecedented funding crisis. Headteachers are becoming increasingly frantic in their disbelief that the government has done fuck all about it, and appears to be planning to continue to do fuck all about it.

There are few issues contributing -

The energy crisis - school energy bills are not capped, unlike household ones. To give an idea of the scale of the issue, Ormiston Academies Trust which sponsors 43 schools will see its energy bills rise from £5.1 million to £14.3 million. Grant Shapps, transport minister, says that schools could consider switching to LED lightbulbs.

Teacher and support staff payrises - the government have recommended payrises for teachers and support staff, but crucially will not be giving schools extra money to fund them. If schools give staff the recommended pay rise, they will have to cut services to fund this (even before you consider the energy bills)

The cost of living crisis - schools are facing increased prices just as households are. Food for the canteen, stationery orders, everything is more expensive. Sam Freedman tweets "Very rough calculation is that energy bills plus teacher pay increase plus higher food costs are going to add around £5bn to school budgets nationally. Just under 10% of the total budget. And none of it was built into the funding model."

On top of that, covid still needs to be considered. Last Jan/Feb schools were in chaos due to staff absences (the government widely trumpeted their call for an army of volunteers to step in, which didn't appear). At the end of the summer term, all the education unions wrote to James Cleverly, temp Ed Sec asking for a covid plan that included increased funding to schools for supply teachers to cover staff absence. Given that we haven't actually got a functioning government at the moment, I'm pretty sure he hasn't replied. Signs are that we're facing a bad flu season too, vaccinating school staff should be a consideration. Some schools already pay for the flu jab for staff, most won't be eligible for a covid booster, no idea what the impact of that will be. Obviously there will be pressure to close windows to keep any heat in, which goes against covid guidance for ventilation.

Some academy trusts appear to have large reserves which will help them weather the storm, most very much don't. twitter.com/ajjolley/status/1564562763443277825?s=21&t=nmM2Q_vFCmo5GzILNNKhfg

School leaders are reporting that they will have to make support staff and/or teachers redundant or pause recruitment, restrict heating, cancel school trips and extra curricular activities. This will inevitably have an impact on children, and on the quality of education on offer.

I'm not sure what either Truss or Sunak have said about the crisis facing education, all I've heard is wittering about grammar schools. An intervention is needed urgently.

www.tes.com/magazine/news/general/energy-bills-cost-of-living-crisis-schools-face-catastrophic-winter

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greywinds · 31/08/2022 13:49

No kidding - I was at 2 school events the last two days, out of 20 or so teaching staff, I counted exactly 2 over the age of 50. It does speak to how exhausting teaching is as a career.

megletthesecond · 31/08/2022 13:50

I've been pondering this. DD's head was talking about it on twitter. He often gets pulled onto the news so I fully expect another justified polite rant about the situation any day now.

mumwon · 31/08/2022 13:50

@Appuskidu is she anything to do with decreasing the number of staff in nurseries ratio? Even if not what has been suggested with this shows their mind set
They will probably be suggesting staff patient ratios in hospitals and nursing homes next (although from what I gather this happens unofficially anyway)

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toomuchlaundry · 31/08/2022 13:50

@antelopevalley if it is anything like COVID in schools the public anger will directed at the unions and teachers not the Government

FrippEnos · 31/08/2022 13:51

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2022 13:23

People saying 'the government will have to do something!'

The government isn't even recognising that there's a problem. Schools are going back with no idea what to do, and what support will be coming, if any.

Plans take time to be drawn up and implemented, and no one seems particularly confident that the new PM will have the skills to do that anyway.

We still have two days left till Friday. plenty of time for a half baked idea with no time to be implemented.
Yet plenty of time for the government, msm and armchairs nut jobs to blame to schools.

RayneDance · 31/08/2022 13:53

"placed in a class with others children with in supported needs"

Absolutely which is why the entire early recognition system needs to put into place ASAP.
It's the blind leading the blind at the moment,with absolutely no Sen training,no basics so they are armed to pick things up.
Senco again can get through gaps in the system with absolute no training at all.

It's bizzare.
Teachers and school then need training on the law around Sen because all too often untruths are spouted out.
The council's themselves also need training!

Our children with Sen will be in far better places when teachers/senco can spot and know basic strategies to assist DC with Sen,even at basic levels.
Then with a proper knowledge of the law , basics... don't worry! I know teachers aren't solicitors but they do need to direct parent's with proper knowledge!
Society as a whole will be far better off once it all kicks in and more children leave school being able to read at the Very least.

RayneDance · 31/08/2022 13:55
  • I think it was some schools following the union's that led to some getting on with it and teaching on line and some refusing to do anything making up a barrel of excuses.
Tootsey11 · 31/08/2022 13:59

Schools and hospitals can easily turn the heating down by a good few degrees and certainly do not need it on all the time. They are always like saunas inside.

justaladyLOL · 31/08/2022 13:59

Schools are not immune from the real world

Appuskidu · 31/08/2022 13:59

Absolutely which is why the entire early recognition system needs to put into place ASAP.

Can I ask exactly what you are referring to here? Is this to do with the suggestion some months back about testing every child for dyslexia?

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2022 13:59

If you have children in school and a Tory MP, PLEASE email them asking what they are intending to do about this situation.

(V easy to email your MP through this website)
www.writetothem.com

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noblegiraffe · 31/08/2022 14:01

Tootsey11 · 31/08/2022 13:59

Schools and hospitals can easily turn the heating down by a good few degrees and certainly do not need it on all the time. They are always like saunas inside.

Bullshit.

My school already turns the heating off by lunchtime and last year was so cold the kids were in coats and scarves (and then complained that they couldn't write with their gloves on).

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justaladyLOL · 31/08/2022 14:03

"No kidding - I was at 2 school events the last two days, out of 20 or so teaching staff, I counted exactly 2 over the age of 50. It does speak to how exhausting teaching is as a career."

I do not think it is that - working in the private sector is harder than being a teacher in most cases.
I think that teachb9ng used to be a well paid job. My folks at a standard comprehensive school had teachers who had studied at Oxford and Cambridge.
I think very few Oxford or Cambs graduates would be interested in teaching bow they will earn far more in the private sector

User135644 · 31/08/2022 14:04

The schools will have to shut early in the day and probably a longer winter break and two weeks half term to save money.

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2022 14:04

working in the private sector is harder than being a teacher in most cases.

You'd think that people would be desperate to become teachers then.

But there's a critical shortage and the government has massively failed to meet its recruitment targets. Weird, eh?

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Appuskidu · 31/08/2022 14:05

Tootsey11 · 31/08/2022 13:59

Schools and hospitals can easily turn the heating down by a good few degrees and certainly do not need it on all the time. They are always like saunas inside.

Hmmmm, really?!

Our school heating has gone off at lunchtime to save money for a few years-it’s bitterly cold by 1.30 and teachers are often wearing hat and coat to teach. This will be brought forward even earlier now

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2022 14:06

User135644 · 31/08/2022 14:04

The schools will have to shut early in the day and probably a longer winter break and two weeks half term to save money.

Govt have already said that's not allowed.

Remember they threatened legal action against Greenwich Council when it closed its schools early for Christmas last year due to a massive covid outbreak and they were forced to re-open, so don't expect leniency.

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HikingHeidi · 31/08/2022 14:06

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2022 14:01

Bullshit.

My school already turns the heating off by lunchtime and last year was so cold the kids were in coats and scarves (and then complained that they couldn't write with their gloves on).

They should have already been in coats and scarves if classrooms were ventilated to stop the spread of covid.

:/

Whyarewehardofthinking · 31/08/2022 14:06

notalwaysalondoner · 31/08/2022 13:37

I think with the Covid situation as it is now, I have zero support for anyone who stays off with fewer symptoms than they would have pre Covid, or takes a test - everyone is vaccinated, the vanishingly few people who can’t have vaccines or those who are ultra vulnerable need to take precautions to protect themselves the same way they would have before Covid. There is no need for teachers to be off unless they’re genuinely too ill to work. I have no support for schools that have staff shortages because they’re encouraging teachers (or children) to stay off every time they cough this winter.

I've had Covid 4 times now, the last being at the end of June. I am also fully vaccinated.

I could barely walk to the bathroom for 4 days I was that ill. Similar for at least 60% of the staff who got it in my outbreak. Staff haven't been having time of for symptoms since we scrapped isolation or mandatory testing and are only off with a positive test. Having staff in positive but with mild symptoms will risk a wave of staff off again too ill to work. We have tests, we should test. It is better than what you suggest.

FrippEnos · 31/08/2022 14:07

Tootsey11 · 31/08/2022 13:59

Schools and hospitals can easily turn the heating down by a good few degrees and certainly do not need it on all the time. They are always like saunas inside.

Heating where I am is shut off at midday, and off completely during any days went no pupils are in.

FrippEnos · 31/08/2022 14:10

RayneDance

I agree with what you are saying about pupils with SEND but (and this is where we get but its the law) its impossible to balance a class with multiple children with SEND when their basic requirements contradict each other.

cansu · 31/08/2022 14:10

Sirzy. Even with it written in, if the school can't recruit then it can't. What would happen in this scenario would likely be the school call an annual review and say they can't meet needs due to inability to recruit staff. I don't think they would cut your dc funding but if they cannot find a level 3 TA then they can't. I suppose they could ask a lower qualified person to train up as a level 3.

BestTeacherMug · 31/08/2022 14:15

The windows are going to be open anyway! Unless teachers suddenly want to catch Covid again? No, didn't think so....

This thread is literally a non issue. Everyone needs to wrap up warm and calm down 🤣

Notonthestairs · 31/08/2022 14:17

"This thread is literally a non issue. Everyone needs to wrap up warm and calm down 🤣"

Edwina Currie enters the chat.

BestTeacherMug · 31/08/2022 14:18

Also laughing at the use of the word "catastrophic"

Same old shit. Different Winter.

Hardly a catastrophe