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What maths course can I get onto when I'm REALLY bad at it?

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MathsStruggle · 21/07/2022 14:34

Hi all,

I should've done this years ago, but not having my maths GCSE is actually limiting me from starting a career I'd like to do.

I'm just wondering what course I could get onto which would be for beginners but where I could eventually go on to do my GCSE. There is no way I'd pass the maths test to get onto a GCSE course.

I've seen a 'Maths for Work and Study' course but I'm worried I'm just so bad that no course can help me :(

Any advice?

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titchy · 26/02/2023 12:37

Another thing that I don't understand is when we work out the circumference of the circle why is it pi that we multiply by? It's like "this is formula" BUT WHY? Also, why does C= 2? I still don't get it.

That's easy! You've assumed pi is a magical number. It isn't. It's the number, that mathematicians centuries ago, worked out was the ratio of circumference to diameter. That's all! You could call it elephant, or Steve. It's just the number of times a diameter will fit around a circumference.

Not sure what you mean by c = 2? Do you mean why is radius (centre of circle to edge) is 2 x diameter? Draw it out. Draw a line from middle to edge. Then extend that line to hit the other edge. If it's a perfect circle that extended bit of line will already be the same as it's doing the same ie going from middle to edge.

MathsStruggle · 26/02/2023 12:44

titchy · 26/02/2023 12:37

Another thing that I don't understand is when we work out the circumference of the circle why is it pi that we multiply by? It's like "this is formula" BUT WHY? Also, why does C= 2? I still don't get it.

That's easy! You've assumed pi is a magical number. It isn't. It's the number, that mathematicians centuries ago, worked out was the ratio of circumference to diameter. That's all! You could call it elephant, or Steve. It's just the number of times a diameter will fit around a circumference.

Not sure what you mean by c = 2? Do you mean why is radius (centre of circle to edge) is 2 x diameter? Draw it out. Draw a line from middle to edge. Then extend that line to hit the other edge. If it's a perfect circle that extended bit of line will already be the same as it's doing the same ie going from middle to edge.

Thank you! Why didn't they just say that then 😅 I'm guessing it's something I'm meant to know from primary school?

I will forever know Pi as Steve now. I prefer that, actually :)
And yeah that's what I meant about the C=2
It's just in the workbook it doesn't explain any of this, just goes straight into it.

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Whiteroomjoy · 26/02/2023 13:03

MathsStruggle · 21/07/2022 16:20

Thanks everyone- I'd say I'm definitely at the level of a 5-7yr old!
My kids aren't at school yet. So I'd love to be able to help them with maths when the time comes.

I will contact my local college and see what they say.

For the course I mentioned they've said everyone would have to do a test beforehand ...I'm really bad at tests. What if I do even worse in it? Will they tell me there's no hope for me and I can't even do Functional Skills?!

Is there a course before Functional Skills? Haha

I’m sorry to hear you’ve been struggling with maths, please don’t worry about failing tests for courses.

maths is something that can be taught very badly at schools. But it is actually one of the easiest subjects once you have a good teacher…think about all those little kid geniuses that pass GCSE age 5 …you can’t possibly think you are less intelligent than a 5 year old, even one whose parents are spouting that he’s Mensa 🤣. Small children can be coached in maths and a few other “logical” subjects. Few children pass an A level or degree course in something like English, history, philosophy as that requires emotional intelligence and that needs emotional maturity that comes with post purity and beyond. You , like almost everyone, have intelligence in different ways from others. And maths is an easy one to get hang of with the right teacher

my advice, if you can possibly afford it , is to get a private tutor. Whislt it is more expensive, you’ll get more out of say 26 hours with a tutor than a whole year on a course with other people. The trick is getting a good tutor who will set you pratice questions, and ask you to write down why you couldn’t carry on at point you got “stuck”. That way they can start to understand where your roadblocks to understanding happen and begin to solve that. Often a few lessons on some fundamental road blacks you have will unravel years of not getting it.

it is really important in maths to show your workings, do the pratice questions all by yourself (tends not to happen at school where you often copy your mates stuff when you get stuck which is actually pretty detrimental) and explain why you’re stuck, or think you have gone wrong. That way a decent teacher can get inside your head, understand your reasoning.

there’s a reason these 5 year old pass their gcse maths- they all have private tutors that can get inside their tiny minds and understand how to get maths thinking installed. 🤣🤣

im speaking as one who struggled with maths, but needed A level for my career. I got a U grade at school at A level . Thought I was domed to never pursue my career of choice. Then somone said get a private tutor to resit, not college. Within 6 weeks I could have sat the resit and passed easily. I reset in June and got A grade ..only exams I’ve ever walked out of knowing I had made 1 error on one question at the end part, and another question on the other paper I didn’t quite finish. Maths does not , or did not , come naturally to me. But with a good teacher, 1:1 I firmly believe pretty much everyone can pass a gcse and be confident and capable mathematicians in their everyday life

good for you to want to resolve your problems with it. You can do it , you will do it. You just need to find the right teacher to help you unlock your potential for it.

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GrassWillBeGreener · 26/02/2023 13:08

The course you are on, can you plan to do it twice if you don't think you've mastered it first time through? When is it due to finish, does it conclude with an assessment?

Perhaps more importantly, do you have a plan of what will be covered when? For example, are they trying to complete the workbooks by the beginning of April and after that it will be all consolidation and review for 2 or 3 months? Or, are they going at pace because it is the only way to finish all the material before the end of the course? Knowing which of those is the case might alter how you deal with feeling behind on the concepts you're currently working on.

It does sound a bit like they are mainly aiming to get people to the point that they can achieve on the final assessment one way or another. When ideally you want to be at the point when you can keep going because you've really mastered the material at this level. There may be some on the course who are further along and just need the reminders and processes I guess.

GrassWillBeGreener · 26/02/2023 13:18

I've just been reminded of a couple of contrasting situations I've come across.

My mother worked as a remedial teacher for decades and has fascinating examples of particular and sometimes very specific learning difficulties some of her students had. One girl I knew a little, had had very serious brain damage from illness as an infant such that it was a miracle that she could walk, let alone learn to read. But her mathematics limit was reached very rapidly - my mother eventually concluded that she could not and was not going to master the concept of more and less. So for her, functional mathematics learning had to be 100% procedural, giving her tools to say, if you need to work out if you have enough money for X, do this with your calculator.

My daughter did A level maths a couple of years ago (and did well). She is perhaps a fairly extreme "but why?" person, and frequently expressed that she felt behind everyone else in class when something new was introduced. Others might just get on with following the instructions (and hopefully it made sense to them eventually), but my daughter really struggled until she knew in and of herself what to do and why. [hmm... wonder where she gets that from...]

Letstaketotheskies · 26/02/2023 13:43

OP, if you want to see how people discovered pi (in a fairly basic way) you can repeat the lesson I had at primary school.
Get a compass and draw two identical circles. Fold one in half carefully and cut it along the fold. This gives you the diameter. How many times can you fit the diameter along the circumference of the 2nd (identical) circle? The answer is three and a little bit. No matter what size circle you draw, the answer is always 3 and a little bit. If you get more accurate with it, the answer is actually 3.14159…. - pi! Or steve :).
I think your C=2 thing might be Circumference = 2pi r or Circumference = 2 x pi x the radius of the circle. This is the same as pi x the diameter of the circle, because the radius is half the size of the diameter. I think it’s just a little bit easier to find the radius of a circle (because often we draw circles with a compass or similar device) and also the formula for calculating the area of a circle also needs the radius (pi x the square of the radius) so if you know the radius of a circle you can work out both its circumference and its area.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 26/02/2023 15:08

I think you need to physically see and hold things to fix them in your mind, rather than the words/numbers.

If you aren't using it already, squared paper is a lot easier than lined, especially the large 1cm squared paper as is used most in primary schools.

Cutting up shapes to represent pizza/cake works for fractions.

If you had 4 children, they could have a quarter of a pizza each, which could be written as 1/4 - they have one piece out of the four pieces you've cut.

To make it easier for them to eat, you could cut each slice in half - they'd have the same amount of pizza each, but instead of one slice, they'd have two smaller ones.

You've then gone from 1/4 to 2/8 each. They have the same quantity of cheese and tomato pizza.

If one child is much smaller, she might only be able to eat one of the smaller pieces. That would mean three children had 2 pieces - 3 x 2/8 (or 3 x 1/4) = 3/4 of the pizza and the little one had 1/8 of the pizza and her other 1/8 went into the fridge. The amount of pizza that has been eaten is either 3/4 and 1/8 - or, 6/8 for the older ones + 1/8 for the little one; 7/8 of the pizza.

If you only cut the little child's pizza slice in half and left the other children's as quarters, they could be arguing about who has had the most pizza if she then decides to have her second little slice. 'It's not fair, she's had two pieces and I only got one!'.

To prevent pointlessly annoying arguments like that, it's easier to cut everybody's pizza to the same size as soon as it's out the oven - this is why it's sensible to find the easiest common size/fraction for comparisons.

If you had two older children and two little ones, you'd do the same, 2 children having a quarter (or 2/8) each, 2 children having 1/8 each, 2 slices left in the fridge.

The older children have had 2 out of 8 slices (2/8), a quarter (1/4) of the pizza each, or between them, 4 out of 8 (4/8) slices, which is the same as 2/4 (two quarters) or half 1/2 the entire pizza.

It's far easier to see it and do it with either pizza or by cutting up a circle of paper to show the pizza and put the pieces together (before they're eaten!). You will also be able to do exactly the same if it were a square pizza or a rectangular pizza.

It's a very longwinded way of explaining it - but doing it physically so you can see and feel the actions makes sense. And once you can see what is meant, writing it in numbers and equations makes sense - this gives you the skills to be able to work with 3 children, 5 children, 10 children and a giant pizza or two medium ones.

It also gives you the skills for working with algebra in time - because, in algebra, you are using a letter to represent 'something' - this time it's pizza, but it could be cake, pies, ice cream, a bag of sweets.

Algebra could be visualised as fruit. Apples and bananas. 2a +3b = 5f: 2 apples and 3 bananas is 5 pieces of fruit in the fruitbowl.

Checking your answer 'there are five pieces of fruit' could be done by starting with the full fruitbowl instead. 5f - 2a = 3b: 5 pieces of fruit, taking the 2 apples out leaves the 3 bananas. Or you could take the bananas out, which could be written as 5f - 3b = 2a.

It won't take long until you can visualise what is being asked = when that happens, all of a sudden, Maths isn't so scary anymore, it's just a lovely, simple way of explaining things that take ages to type.

FinallyHere · 26/02/2023 19:35

Why do I want to know why?!

I am absolutely a 'why' person. Not everyone is, but I think it's a really good sign that you will enjoy maths because it's absolutely a subject where there will be a sensible explanation for why for everything

Lots of the people with whom I work are really, really smart. They all find that they need to understand the why. Understanding why makes things so.much.easier You don't have to memorise anything, just understand what kind of answer each kind of question is looking for and you will be able to work out the answer.

If you course is too rushed for explanations of why, then do keep posting here til you get the kind of answer that makes sense to you.

All the very best.

CountingMareep · 27/02/2023 18:09

Do you know, one of the things my brain hit a wall with at the age of 12 was the idea that x could be any unspecified number and y could be any unspecified number including x (unless specified otherwise) and they didn’t have to equal 2 or 5 or 5 million or even 3.14159. I hadn’t come across algebra before. It ended up being one of my stronger subjects.

I think it was Stephen Fry who said that algebra was letters pretending to be numbers. Best explanation I’ve come across.

CountingMareep · 27/02/2023 18:40

Ah…ignore me… numbers dressing up as letters. Letters pretending to be numbers are telephone numbers or barcodes on stock.

This is why I never went into teaching. 😂😂

MathsStruggle · 27/02/2023 20:50

CountingMareep · 27/02/2023 18:40

Ah…ignore me… numbers dressing up as letters. Letters pretending to be numbers are telephone numbers or barcodes on stock.

This is why I never went into teaching. 😂😂

😂

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MathsStruggle · 26/06/2023 13:34

Hi everyone,

I just thought I'd pop on to say that I bloody passed the Functional Skills Level 1!

I honestly never thought I could do this. I am shocked but so happy, I worked really hard and I learnt so much over the past 9 months or so.

This means I can start my GCSE in September.

Thank you to everyone who helped and inspired me on this thread! I will keep you all updated on the GCSE :)

Is it too early for a beverage....?!

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Violinist64 · 26/06/2023 13:39

Well done. I am so pleased to see your update. Onwards and upwards for the GCSE.

Anotheanon · 26/06/2023 13:51

Congratulations 🥳 definitely not too early.

GrassWillBeGreener · 26/06/2023 14:22

Fabulous news. Well done!

Lemevoir · 26/06/2023 14:38

Congratulations! Fab news and you've worked so hard - probably inspiring lots of other people too.

I think you definitely deserve a beverage and a whole cake (or pizza) to yourself. No need to think about fractions today 😄

MathsStruggle · 26/06/2023 15:57

Thanks!
I was looking back at my old posts and maths questions- they're so easy/obvious to me now :)
I really have learnt so much. I'm going to miss my teacher 😂

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Triflenot · 26/06/2023 15:58

Congratulations OP!
I’ve found this thread inspiring to be honest. Very well done.

Deathraystare · 26/06/2023 16:08

@MathsStruggle

Believe you me, I found it very hard. I used to be in tears when my poor dad tried to help me with my homework!

I went to an evening class that was below o level (not a mum so don't know what it is called etc etc. )

The teacher was fantastic. She knew when I genuinely wanted help and when I was being lazy! It gave me so much confidence. However I guess now I have lost whatever I did know but I was pleased when I learnt percentages.

One thing I did know was multiplication. Mum had drilled me every night!

thelionthewitchtheaudacityofTHISbitch · 26/06/2023 16:28

Many congratulations! I had been reading the thread for sometime before I realised it had started last year. Just one thought - and I havent seen it mentioned on the thread - do you think you might be dyslexic in any way. I did teacher training a few years ago ( in a college ) and it was the dyslexic students - very bright and capable - who sometimes got slightly muddled by how a question was worded. The techniques I learned then were so useful for supporting my dyslexic teenager in exams last year.

TiredandLate · 26/06/2023 16:45

MathsStruggle · 26/06/2023 15:57

Thanks!
I was looking back at my old posts and maths questions- they're so easy/obvious to me now :)
I really have learnt so much. I'm going to miss my teacher 😂

Congratulations!!

I was going to comment and say what a difference between your early questions and the Feb one, massive progress 👏

MathsStruggle · 26/06/2023 17:02

thelionthewitchtheaudacityofTHISbitch · 26/06/2023 16:28

Many congratulations! I had been reading the thread for sometime before I realised it had started last year. Just one thought - and I havent seen it mentioned on the thread - do you think you might be dyslexic in any way. I did teacher training a few years ago ( in a college ) and it was the dyslexic students - very bright and capable - who sometimes got slightly muddled by how a question was worded. The techniques I learned then were so useful for supporting my dyslexic teenager in exams last year.

I don't think I am but it could be possible?
I definitely found the non calculator paper easier because most of the questions are just "what is this" which I can answer. I do get muddled on some questions but I'm not sure whether that's because I didn't understand the topic (and as I do now, I'm fine with it) or because of something else like dyslexia.

I've got my English GCSE, so I personally think it's because I'm quite a literal person and I wish they'd just say directly what they mean in the questions.

Like, when you say "around" you mean the perimeter ... just say that! 😅
I like the long way of doing things, I think.

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Augend23 · 26/06/2023 17:59

Congratulations OP! I've been lurking since the beginning and I'm so happy you have passed. Well done on persevering.

QuattroFromagio · 26/06/2023 18:47

Congratulations! I tutor pupils with maths difficulties, and occasionally adults too, and I really enjoy working with people who have tried for a while but found it hard, but are determined to get better. It's so satisfying being able to explain things to them and have them succeed and realise they can do it. I bet your teacher also really liked working with you.

Good luck moving on to GCSE.

MathsStruggle · 26/06/2023 21:35

Thanks again everyone! :)

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