Do some people have inherently bad luck?

[Onlyrainbows]

For the most part I don't believe in bad/good luck nor karma but my last 12-18 months do make me wonder some people simply have "worse luck" than others.

The glass is always full. It is half liquid and half gas, but it is always full. Never empty.*

*well you could seal it and attach it to a vacuum pump etc - but that is going to extremes.

I've been very unlucky for about the last 35 years. People actually comment on it. It's like one bad thing after another keeps happening and I try to look on the bright side but sometimes I just feel beaten down by it all. I'm now going to try and find out what type of moon I was born under, as that might just explain everything!

Everyone I know who thinks they're unlucky sees every trivial inconvenience as a major disaster to dwell on and moan about for weeks. I'm convinced it's mainly perception eg "yet another totally ruined holiday" after a 30min plane delay whereas "lucky" people would forget about something like that before the plane has even landed.

Of course they do. Some are born poor into families that expect and demand that we make their fortune, in a country that now expects and demands family money to be able to buy a house and education. Some are born into outright abusive families and are sexually abused as youngsters. Some walk into situations that result in rape and death with no provocation or fault to them. Some are born with congenital health issues or die in utero, at birth, or as a child. There are millions born in other countries who die as a result of easily treated diseases, or into war - and being born female all too often in this age of the world gives you a particular vulnerability in too many places. Some were born into times when there was room for people, geographically and economically, some like all of us now, are not.

All of the middle class positivity bullshit in the world does not change facts: it just insults and alienates those of us who can see it. With for any affected.

Come to think about it, let’s put it like this. The current (well, 20 years old) fashionable social model of disability somehow manages to melt into the magic ether when deprivation and poverty is mentioned to Britain’s rich elites and their middle class enablers. The cognitive dissonance would be funny if it didn’t have such consequences.

**Thinking about this some more. If you sealed the glass and removed the air with a pump, the resultant low pressure would cause the liquid to boil so the glass would still be full.

* I might be over thinking a simple saying

Yes, I do. I have defied the odds (in a bad way) on numerous occasions. Health wise I’ve been the 1 in 4,000, the 1 in 200 and the 1% on several occasions. That’s where things are calculable, I’ve also had a lot of incalculable bad luck with family, relationships, accidents and so on.

When I met DH (lovely normal life, no real bad luck) I think he was a bit convinced I was a drama Queen. Now whenever somebody says to me ‘don’t worry Coffee, X or Y is extremely unlikely’ he laughs and we both say ‘yep, that’s going to happen to me’.

I gave birth to my second baby last month and had forceps for a second time despite being assured my odds of needing them twice were 7%. When the midwife said how unlucky that was; DH said 7% is very high odds for Coffee so she probably expected it. And I did.

In fact I don’t even really get upset when I’m unlucky anymore, it doesn’t take much processing as I’m so used to it… anyone else? Just a weary acceptance.

I do believe in good or bad luck .

Al ot of "bad luck" is just bad choices

I have a colleague who seems to attract nothing but bad luck. She actually dressed as the grim reaper for a Christmas party once as she acknowledges everyone in her close circle seems to die!

Agreed.
I knew someone who was born with a life-limiting condition. No one ever thought of saying to him what bad luck it was because he'd have everyone in stitches at the description of him being blue-lighted to hospital with the paramedics saying they weren't sure he'd make it. Lovely chap.

There's also how you look at an event, your reaction to it and what that brings.

With my two daughters they react very differently in the situation. We were joking about this the other day with thought of them arriving at an event and finding their ticket didn't work.
Dd1 would go and find an official, show their ticket and proof of purchase and get in. No one would know how upset inside she was, but she'd get it sorted.
Dd2 would probably burst into tears and look distraught. But her luck is the person who stopped to help and ask what was wrong would probably turn out to be the owner of the event and have a spare VIP ticket and take her backstage to meet everyone etc.
I have another family member who, in this exact situation just got back on a train and went home without saying anything. They were then refused a refund because they hadn't tried to sort it out.

So whereas dd1 would get what she needed, with perhaps a bit of bad luck that her ticket hadn't initially worked. Dd2 because of her reaction would have good luck. And my family member who didn't tell anyone there was an issue told it as a bad luck story.

No

A run of circumstances could be described as bad luck but a person isn't inherently attached to that luck.

It breeds a very unhelpful victim mentality to look at it like that.

I think I am lucky yet born in a waning moon

I have a house, heat, good in the fridge, a stable job

It all depends on how you luck at things

I was having a horrid time in work, I fell broke my shoulder, got signed off work right to when my maternity leave kicked in.

It was the best thing that could of happened, plus i got a lovely insurance pay out plus, work paid me in full and covered my medical expenses

I immediately thought of The Kennedy's family of America 🇺🇸

Thinking 🤔 of your question

All sorts of misfortune led to Tragically Grim Reaper endings for this family

Even though they have well most of them blessed good lucks, charm, wealth highly driven,

Which is attributes, ect, highly regarded in the western world,

Studies have shown that people who believe they are lucky end up being lucky, a lot of it is down to perception.

https://www.popsci.com/luck-real/?amp

https://www.startupgrind.com/blog/the-science-behind-making-your-own-luck/

Often when I experience 'bad luck' I can trace it back to bad planning on my own part.

Except for things like: being involved in an accident, victim of crime, being in the wrong place at the 'wrong' time, poor health and disease. And so on

well, I dont believe statements like this, Luck is random. You have had bad luck. Next luck might be good luck. Having bad luck in the past does not make you inherently unlucky.

This is pure bollocks. I just googled my brother's birthday and he was born on a new moon, and he's the jammiest bastard I know. He's the sort of person who'd put a random bet on the Grand National not knowing a thing about horse racing, and win £500. (This actually happened.)

I can give you loads of examples like that where I've just been boggled at the audacity of his jamminess.

I also googled my own birthday and I was born on a waning moon, but I would count myself as incredibly lucky indeed. Obviously I've had to weather the usual redundancies, break ups, relationship challenges, etc. But I'm typing this as I'm sitting in my kitchen, in my £900k house in a naice area, looking through my fancy bifolds at my husband mowing our 100ft garden. My healthy, clever, gorgeous kids are in one of the other two(!) living rooms, playing computer nonsense on their very expensive PlayStation, which we were able to afford comfortably. Im about to check in online for some flights I'm taking to see a friend overseas next week. I'm able to do this because I run my own business and it's doing well, so I can take time off when I want.

I'm fucking lucky. Even when something goes wrong, I never forget that just by being born white, able-bodied, in a wealthy western country, to loving parents who gave a shit about my education, I've won the life lottery really.

That’s excellent. But a waning moon never forgets…

Never forgets what?

Yes, I agree, "luck" is purely chance as per chaos theory, the probability of bad luck, followed by bad luck, again and again, without any instances of good luck simply doesn't follow chance/probability theory. If someone thinks they're having a constant stream of bad luck events, it's far more likely they're dwelling on the bad luck and forgetting the good luck events. Then of course, some elements of "luck" are more major/minor than others, so perhaps people forgot or don't notice the minor instances of good luck.

But, if, genuinely, there's a succession of bad luck events, then I think it's far more likely that the person's own actions are contributory factors to their own bad "luck", so that it's not luck at all, it's cause and consequence, action and reaction, etc.

I.e. women who constantly get stung with bad boyfriends/husbands may think it's bad luck, but in reality, if they go for the same "kind" of bloke, meeting in the same kind of place, then they're unreasonable to expect different outcomes as they've got an inherent bias in their selection process!

@Persuaderama

Studies have shown that people who believe they are lucky end up being lucky, a lot of it is down to perception.

Yes, I'd agree with that. Perception and attitude make a massive difference. Instead of blaming bad luck that you've not got what others have, change your mindset to be grateful of what you do have and make the most of it.

I always remember Olivia Newton John saying and writing a song entitled "Why Me? Why NOT me?" when she was diagnosed with breast cancer in her early 40's. Basically, turning it around and saying why shouldn't she be the one with cancer, what makes her so special that she shouldn't get it? Instead of dwelling on her "bad luck", she learned to accept it and told herself she was a "cancer thriver" instead of a cancer survivor, and went on to live life as best she could, and raising millions for cancer charities, etc, basically turning a bad thing into a good thing and being an inspiration for lots of other people with cancer.

"Live each moment that it brings
Take the time to smell the roses
Take the time to watch the stars
Take the time to see your child grow"

Yes, I think they do. One guy I once worked with seem to have appaling luck. If it could go wrong for him it would and in the worst possible way. It was often said (out of his hearing) that none of us would want to fly with him.

However, he's the only case I've ever come across.

But what kind of things happened? Were they entirely "random" or did his decisions, actions, etc contribute towards them?

Going to look mine up, 😊