Are teachers paid in the holidays?

[Emmas85]

Hi,

I'm currently looking for my first nqt position and on job adverts the salary is written. I understand this is pro rata as would be term time only. Are teachers paid during the holidays? As in the salary is split over 12 months? Thanks for any information.

Im an ex teacher and married to a teacher so am very supportive of teachers but I do think it's a bit much the whole 'teachers don't get paid for the holidays ' argument, I know the whole 1265 thing but it's not like teachers have to go and get jobs in the holidays like the school staff who actually are only paid pro rata sometimes need to. Eg a teaching assistant take home salary is a lot less than advertised as it takes off holidays and the hours difference of school hours to full time hours etc
A teachers salary is what's advertised

michaelt1979.wordpress.com/2020/06/12/are-teachers-paid-for-the-holidays/

So, roughly speaking.....
Average civil servant gets 30 days paid leave and works 230 days per year.
Teachers works 195 days. (60 non working days).
If a teacher earns £30k, their actual salary is probably approx £35k (based on average working days of 230 days). But it has been worked out pro rata and spread over the year.

I think!!

This is very roughly the thinking. More to it.

@BluebellsGreenbells

You get 4 weeks paid holiday - but this is split like you say over 12 months

So 39 weeks plus 4

Surely it's more than that? I'm a TA and get 6 (5 weeks plus 5 bank holidays)

If teachers are paid for the holidays or not depends on how you view their contracted hours. Teachers are contracted to work the school days (usually contracted to be starting work 30/40 mins before the children start and finish 30/60mins at the end), plus 6 days. These are usually the staff development days through the year, or some schools tag them onto holidays so its not obvious to the parents the staff had different holidays.

Staff are paid an hourly rate for those hours plus the 4 weeks statutory minimum holiday. That total is then divided by 12 and paid monthly. Few teachers have any idea what their hourly rate is, they only see annual salary.

So yes, they are paid in the holidays, but they are not contracted to work (most do a bit, this is unpaid overtime).

This is what the NEU say:-

Unlike teachers, most support staff members are employed on a term-time only basis. This means being paid only for the weeks that the school is open, e.g. 39 weeks, plus paid leave entitlement.
neu.org.uk/advice/support-staff-employment-rights

So, teachers are not paid pro rata, they're full year paid

I'm often involved in calculating the pay of staff in school. I'm really interested to know where the idea that teachers are paid for four weeks holiday has come from. There's nothing about this in any contracts, and if it were true it would mean that teachers actually have less paid holidays than support staff who work full year (35 days in my school)
Plus

If a support staff member has an unpaid day's leave they lose 1/190th of their annual pay i.e. the same as one working day (without counting holidays) Unless they are usually paid to attend INSET days in which case they would lose 1/195th

If a teacher was paid for 195 days (190 plus 5 INSET) plus four weeks holiday, they too would lose 1/195th if they had an unpaid day. However, they lose 1/365th if they have a day of unpaid leave

Teachers being paid in the holidays is relatively new. Back in the 60/70 they weren’t paid over the holidays and had to budget well as they’d not be paid for two months over the summer. I’m assuming the unions got involved to change this but don’t know.

Basically, if school asked us to, for example, work a week in the 6 weeks holidays we would need to be paid overtime. As it would be more than our contracted hours. If we got paid for our holidays we would be in significantly more.
When I left my teaching job after MAT leave I was still entitled to my accrued 20 days holiday pay like everyone else.

@Stevenage689 that’s not always the case. I’ve applied for roles in the past that have been advertised at FTE and you have to pro rata yourself