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ADs and The Brave New World

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BogRollBOGOF · 20/10/2021 22:55

When you kind of hope that a new thread meanders on quietly because it means that life is being fairly stable...

What are ADs?

Here's the copy and paste job...

Definition of AD
^AD stands for anti dementor.
There are creatures in Harry Potter called dementors, who suck all hope and happiness from you and eventually take your soul. Way back at the start of the pandemic thread after thread was posted on by posters like this and anyone who'd dare question anything or disagree with anything (like putting cheese in your coffee) was bullied off these threads. And so any actual discussion disappeared and it became an echo chamber of misery.^

We are the antidote to that. We follow the rules, but not the "roolz" and we question and discuss with respect to each other. It's all very civil.

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MrsDeaconClaybourne · 21/02/2022 09:19

I'll try need

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MrsDeaconClaybourne · 21/02/2022 09:20

Covid made the world go mad – Here’s what we know now about the year of lockdown

Two years on from home schooling and panic buying, an epidemiologist looks explains what we should have done

ByHarry de Quetteville20 February 2022 • 5:00am



Tomorrow, the Prime Minister is set to announce the end of Covid restrictions. No more free tests, or income support. Most dramatic of all, no more isolation for those infected. If this isn’t the end of pandemic crisis measures, it’s hard to know what is.
All of which means that the inevitable reflection upon two traumatic years, and the crisis measures inflicted by government upon the governed, begins now. The official public enquiry, originally set for this spring, is likely to be delayed. But the unofficial accounting – up and down the nation, of each and every citizen totting up their losses and sacrifices, and wondering if it was all worth it – has already started.
For some, the ledger will reveal a simple, terrible grief – a consequence of the 160,000 Covid deaths Britain has accumulated since the novel coronavirus arrived on these shores. But for many others, the price paid will be harder to establish. For it is difficult to number opportunities missed in schooling and higher education; or count the cost of careers stalled and businesses failing; or take the toll of lives still to be lost through mental and physical conditions undetected while services pivoted so completely to Covid.

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Whatever happens, one thing is certain: we will be told that lessons will be learnt. But which lessons? In politics, wise old hands talk about the importance of learning from mistakes, of knowing history and acting accordingly. But the wrong lessons, as epidemiologist Prof Mark Woolhouse shows in a devastating new assessment of Covid lockdowns, can also lead us terribly astray.
British scientists and politicians were primed to respond disastrously to Covid-19 long before the virus was even heard of, he argues in his book The Year the World Went Mad – and precisely because of their experience with previously known diseases.



March 2020: The Government's daily Covid briefings are in full swing, regularly featuring Boris Johnson flanked by Sir Patrick Vallance and Pro Chris Whitty CREDIT: Pippa Fowles / No 10 Downing Street.

First of these was influenza, on which our pandemic preparation was based. That was why Covid models included schools, which are key drivers of flu transmission, but not care homes – with catastrophic consequences.
The second diversion was a specific outbreak of flu – the swine flu epidemic of 2009-10, largely forgotten because it killed fewer than 500 people. Those who do remember it are sure to include the parents of around 70 British children who died. “Many more [children],” as Woolhouse, 63, a father of one daughter, points out, “than died from novel coronavirus infection in 2020.”

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Yet schools stayed open then. “It seems that our collective assessment of the balance of harms changed dramatically over the intervening 10 years.”
Swine flu’s damaging legacy was timidity. Exactly a decade before Covid really did erupt to change the world, public health officials were warning that swine flu would do the same. “Basically, there was a false alarm,” says Woolhouse, who advised on swine flu and became a member of the Sage modelling group SPI-M for the current pandemic. 



April 2020: With social distancing and reduced capacity at supermarkets, long queues become a regular sight CREDIT: OLI SCARFF/AFP via Getty Images

Come 2019-20, scientists were loath “to make complete fools of ourselves” by crying wolf again. Drastic early interventions which could have made a difference, like closing borders, became unthinkable, propelling policy ever further towards the most draconian and, in Woolhouse’s view, wrongheaded, interventions of all: lockdowns.
Lockdowns, Woolhouse says, emerged from the idea that Covid could be eradicated. And the idea that Covid could be eradicated emerged from a third misleading encounter with disease – that other coronavirus, Sars, which in 2002 was confined and ultimately crushed in one of the great triumphs of modern medicine. The problem is that there was a critical difference with Sars. It was almost exclusively transmitted by patients who were obviously sick. “Isolating symptomatic cases stopped most of the spread,” says Woolhouse. But Covid spreads asymptomatically, too, making eradication effectively impossible. Yet convincing those in power to give up on the dream of killing off Covid proved impossible.

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“We knew from February [2020], never mind March, that the lockdown would not solve the problem. It would simply delay it,” Woolhouse says, a note of enduring disbelief in his voice. And yet in government, “there was no attention paid to that rather obvious drawback of the strategy”.
Instead, lockdowns – which “only made sense in the context of eradication” – became the tool of choice to control Covid. The die was cast in China, which instituted ultra-strict measures and, unforgivably in Woolhouse’s book, was praised by the World Health Organisation for its “bold approach”. “The WHO,” he suggests, “got the biggest calls completely wrong in 2020. The early global response to the pandemic was woefully inadequate.”



April 2020: The then-Health Secretary Matt Hancock opens London's Nightingale hospital to help the NHS deal with the surging number of patients CREDIT: Stefan Rousseau/PA Wire

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MrsDeaconClaybourne · 21/02/2022 09:21

Surprisingly easy Grin Thought it might not let me read it again once I'd closed the page.

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MrsDeaconClaybourne · 21/02/2022 09:24

I still find it hard to get my head round the fact that no-one, especially opposition parties, weren't advocating for evaluating the risk v benefit of locldown and instead just calling for harsher measures.

As someone who works in a school, the attitude of teaching unions I'm particular has astounded me.

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ISaySteadyOn · 21/02/2022 09:50

Has it caused you to rethink a lot of what you previously thought? It has me.

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MrsDeaconClaybourne · 21/02/2022 10:13

isay It definitely has. I've always quite liked my job but now I'm unbelievablely committed to the well being of children and how important it is for them to be in school with safe, reliable routines.

There are people I will never see in the same light, like the ones who threatened to call the police when DS1 and his friends were playing football last winter and there was more than 6 of them on a huge field.

I'm also baffled by some of the loud voices in the media from the education world spouting doom and calling for school closures and restrictions when the general attitude of the school staff I know is to want to carry on with as much normality as possible.

I've also been so angry at the way children have been subject to stricter rules and restrictions that the general population. My LA has been particularly bad for this.

I also feel, as someone who has suffered quite a lot of bereavement, including losing a parent when very young, that some people acted like death didn't exist before 2020.

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ISaySteadyOn · 21/02/2022 11:10

Yes, death seems to be such a shock. Maybe it's because I used to work with bones but I am quite sanguine about it. It comes to us all whether it be in CAPITAL LETTERS or perky goth girls.

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justasking111 · 27/02/2022 13:42

Well Friday two hours at hospital masked. Today chin zits again. Feeling like a teenager 😂

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AlviarinAesSedai · 05/03/2022 13:41

As this thread is very quiet. Can I just say how much I have enjoyed and taken comfort from this thread. Love to you all.

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ISaySteadyOn · 05/03/2022 14:27

Always good to hear. DS is off on his first sleepover at a friend's house which is a milestone for him Smile

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smallandimperfectlyformed · 05/03/2022 18:35

Thank you @AlviarinAesSedai (apologies for tagging, didn't think I would spell it right otherwise!). For me there isn't much more to say as I live in England where all restrictions have been removed and the world finally seems normal. Watching certain parts of the world remain hyper alert seems odd now! I know other parts of the kingdom have it harder.
ISaySteadyOn hope DS has a wonderful time at the sleepover

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Worldgonecrazy · 06/03/2022 23:30

These threads have been a beacon of sanity, fun and somber piss taking in equal measure.

It is a bitter sweet feeling for us to have been proved right so quickly. I thought it would take several years for that to happen. There is little pleasure in this ‘victory’.

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justasking111 · 20/03/2022 21:56

Glorious weekend tourists flooding in lovely to see the buzz is back. Hospital allowed me to keep my own mask this week. PCR testing center didn't do the throat swab because I have an awful gag reflex. Just my nose. Results this morning negative so off to hospital on Tuesday for an operation.

If the test had been positive health board ban patients for 90 days which is nuts the nurse said

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BogRollBOGOF · 20/03/2022 22:17

I am feeling like I'm standing at a doorway with the normal world in front of me (England anyway!) and just waiting for permission to go out.

We've had Covid in the family in the past fortnight. DS2 had a mild dose two weeks ago. We went out walking and cycling. DH has had a rougher dose and genuinely did need the week off, mostly in bed. The reality was that feeling ill, he naturally contained himself. DS1 had a cold and barking cough but kept LFTing negative. I had a "cold" with DS2 and was negative at the start, but didn't do anything high risk and no point in further testing once DS2 effectively made me isolate. Definitely DS2's second dose since Christmas. Probably mine. DH's first. DS1 never tested positive yet...

School seems to be unclenching despite having had a peak of cases in this time. We have a list of events for the summer term...

I will be so happy when Covid is downgraded to being a routine illness. I'm in hayfever season now so constantly feel like the early signs of a cold. Living in constant fear of life being turned off for (usually) minor illness has been so damaging. Thriving is about security.

One of my highlights of the week was walking into McDonalds and being able to look at staff in the face for the first time in two years!

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BogRollBOGOF · 20/03/2022 22:24

It's kind of good that our thread's gone quiet because it means life is getting easier. I really don't know how I'd have coped without AD threads in the past two years. It's been a little oasis of sanity, logic and compassion. I seriously think I wouldn't have made it through winter 20-21 without going on actual Anti-Depressants without the AD threads.

I always smile when I recognise your names on random topics.

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ISaySteadyOn · 21/03/2022 06:30

I smile too. These threads have kept me sane as well.

I think there is another cold going round. We've all had it. But spring is on its way and I am starting my planting. I am trying starting things out in propagators this year so we will see.

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Taswama · 23/03/2022 15:23

Hello all.
Feeling annoyed today as our work has just announced the return of face masks in communal areas. It is an office environment, not a hospital / care home or anything.
I know cases are high again but hospitalisations and deaths aren't. Most people are vaccinated if they want to be. It just feels like such a backwards step and will undoubtedly lead to the social activities that take place at work also being cancelled.

Luckily I'm wfh today so could have a rant at DP, otherwise I'd have to keep my poker face on while everyone around me was saying what a sensible decision it was.

@BogRollBOGOF @Worldgonecrazy @justasking111 @ISaySteadyOn @smallandimperfectlyformed

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MrsDeaconClaybourne · 23/03/2022 16:00

Has anyone else seen the article by Chris Whitty today saying that school closures have caused longterm harm! No acknowledgement of responsibility at all. It's made me really cross.Angry

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Worldgonecrazy · 23/03/2022 16:22

Sorry to hear that @Taswama

It sounds like your management are in the death throes Of dementoring .

Elsewhere the media are vindicating the ADs.

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Taswama · 23/03/2022 18:42

Thanks World . As soon as masks were no longer mandatory 95% of people stopped wearing them, so I think the majority of staff are ready to move on.
I need a secret sign really.

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ISaySteadyOn · 23/03/2022 18:53

@Taswama, Flowers. That sucks.

@MrsDeaconClaybourne, what an utter hypocrite. How on earth can he sleep at night? I could have told him that closing schools would hurt children. But I am just a mother so what do I know?

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justasking111 · 23/03/2022 21:35

Well my operation went well yesterday no dementoring apart from the questions at every stage do you have a cough, temperature, anyone at home ill.

Today had to return for 24hour post op check up. When asked the same questions again joked that she'd be glad when those questions were dumped got a look. FFS if I was fine on Saturday, to yesterday in isolation at home WHY would I suddenly be ill today. The clinic has been rife with covid for weeks anyway 🙄🙄

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Taswama · 23/03/2022 21:44

Glad your op went well justasking .

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justasking111 · 23/03/2022 21:52

@Taswama

Glad your op went well justasking .

Thanks I'm hav the other eye done in four weeks. So many eye drops. No driving, no makeup, no lifting, bending, carrying it's gonna drive me nuts. All covid lifted on 28th in Wales I wonder if the hospital will lighten up next month
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Worldgonecrazy · 24/03/2022 09:05

Our local hospital are still taking temperatures. Crazy but I think it is to give the volunteers something to do.

I get more annoyed at the dental surgeries doing it. If a patient is attending for a suspected abscess and has a temperature, they are more likely to need urgent medical care for suspected sepsis than to be sent for a Covid test!

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