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ellsbellls · 06/11/2020 10:02

Looking for some advice to help me come to terms with the increasing sense I have of having under-achieved in my career, or else do something about it. I should say up front that I know that many people have far more important things to worry about at the moment so please don’t flame me for even mentioning this concern.

I am early 40s, public sector. Began my career 20 or so years ago (eek!) and progressed quickly up the career ladder to the top of middle management. I was on a graduate programme and was seen as someone who would rise through the ranks quickly. Not boasting I hope, just setting the scene. But… I have ground to a halt. I haven’t even attempted promotion for 13 years despite various managers during those years telling me to consider it. I am now coasting, moving from job to job every few years. If I am honest, I am lazy, I can do the projects I am given without being particularly challenged. I always receive good performance reviews although I suspect I am increasingly viewed as a ‘coaster’ (perhaps paranoia?).

In the 13 years since I was last promoted, I have of course had children (now 9 and 6) and have moved from full to part-time. I now work 3 days per week. During the early years of child rearing it would have been impossible for me to even consider a promotion but I always thought that I would do it once the kids were in full-time school, which they have obviously now been for some time. A promotion would mean a great deal more responsibility. I have seen people try to do it part-time (4 days, never 3) and while it works for a while, invariably they end up working on their supposed day off albeit just to keep on top of sign-offs and clearances. There is almost no flexibility over the types of roles at that level.

I enjoy my days off. I go to the gym, catch up with friends, cook, read, keep on top of the housework and life admin. My husband also works part-time and we have a really good balance. He is the higher earner. We don’t need the extra money that a promotion for me would bring (again, please, not boasting, just trying to give some context). So, why, do I feel so frustrated? I should be content to enjoy my very comfortable life but I just feel like a failure, like I’ve not achieved my potential. Perhaps it is a mid-life crisis… The truth is that I don’t want to do a job at the next level. I just want to prove to myself and others that I could do it if I wanted to. I almost want to get it and then turn it down. I haven’t tried to do this as I don’t want to waste people’s time and I am not entirely convinced that I would turn it down, if indeed I got it. I have started thinking that maybe I need something else in my life, a different challenge. I’ve thought (at the very vaguest level) of doing a PhD, of changing careers entirely but life is so comfortable and I guess I am scared and perhaps a bit too lazy to actually do anything to change it but it nags at my ego and self-esteem which I guess is at the heart of this.

Anyway, I am not sure what the answer is but grateful for any thoughts.

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PotatoHead1111 · 06/11/2020 10:59

Hello, no advice unfortunately but some solidarity - you sound a bit like me (although I don't have children so feel like even more of an under-achiever)

I'm 35 and have spent the last 7 years coasting along in my middle management job. I have a comfortable life and don't need a higher salary and don't want the stress of a role with more responsibility. I'm desperately bored and unfulfilled but feel paralysed with indecision and fear of leaving my 'safe' job.

I do have some fulfilling hobbies though, which I do in my spare time. I do quite a lot of courses connected to them which are quite fulfilling. Could be a good first step?

SebastianTheCrab · 06/11/2020 11:23

Also wanted to say I feel the same. Need to go do some (more) domestic crap right now but will try reply a bit more later.

Aknifewith16blades · 06/11/2020 11:26

Go for promotion as a job share?

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mindutopia · 06/11/2020 11:33

Could you make a career change to a roll more challenging for you? I would say that I think you are clearly doing quite well in life if you and your dh are able to live comfortably both working part-time. Could you find something to work towards and achieve outside of work in your free time? Train for a marathon, start up a new hobby, invest in a building project, something that you could set goals for and that would have positive outcomes.

WeirdlyOdd · 06/11/2020 11:35

Wow, I could have written this, except for the coasting bit, as I give my projects my all. I have a serious health issue which means I even have a very good reason not to push myself further. But I still feel like I've let myself down by not pushing on to higher levels.

Are you a perfectionist? Were your parents highly demanding of you? Do you say "I should" quite a lot? Are career and self-worth very entangled?

I think part of my problem is I was treated as a bit of a star early on, and feel like I haven't reached the predicted potential. I've spoken about it with my therapist and she's very supportive of not pushing on just for the sake of it, when I've a happy productive life as is.

It may be that you need another outlet. I have a hobby that shows good signs of becoming professional, though I'd still keep my day job on. If I didn't have that hobby then I'd need something else, or would probably push myself onwards in my career, though with the added stress it might not be the right thing to do.

sleepyhead · 06/11/2020 11:35

It's ok to have a comfortable life.

It's not ok if you're struggling financially and a promotion would really help, or if you're bored at work and you need the challenge.

But if you're happy with work facilitating all the other things that you do, and you're happy then that's great - being top of the heap is great if that's important to you, but when it comes at the expense of other things that are also important to you then it's worth calculating whether the benefit of the title and associated kudos/esteem boost is worth the cost.

I'm definitely coasting in what sounds like fairly similar circs (albeit I now work full time), but my work is interesting and worthwhile, my work/life balance is great, my financial compensation is good.

To be honest, I look at the roles directly above me, and the level above that and I know my job satisfaction would plummet with all the stress and shit that comes with the responsibility, plus it would take me away from the parts of my job that give me the most happiness.

ellsbellls · 06/11/2020 11:47

Thanks so much for your reply. I think you've hit the nail on the head with 'paralysed by indecision and fear.' The thing is that I know a promotion would have nothing but a detrimental impact on my family and personal life. I would probably enjoy it for a month before thinking 'What have I done?!'

It's just having to come to terms with being 'average.' It's my own ego that is the issue and the sense that I could have and should have achieved more.

I'll have a think about other hobbies with a bit more of a degree of personal challenge. Thanks for the suggestion.

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ellsbellls · 06/11/2020 11:51

Sorry, response was to @PotatoHead1111. Will respond to other posts shortly, thanks for commenting.

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ellsbellls · 06/11/2020 12:33

@Aknifewith16blades. Unfortunately jobs at the level I am talking about don’t really work as job shares. They perhaps should, but the organisational culture hasn’t quite got there yet.

@WeirdlyOdd. I’m not a perfectionist at all, the opposite even, a bit slap dash. Parents not demanding or pushy at all. But, yes, career and self-worth are definitely completely entangled in my mind and I just can’t work out why. I was also treated as a bit of a star early on through school, university and early career and I definitely haven’t reached the predicted potential. Why does it matter so much to me? It galls me when I see people younger than me rising up the ranks and I almost want to shout, ‘I could do it too if I wanted to!’. How embarrassing!

@sleepyhead. It is the title and the kudos and I know that they would indeed come at great expense to other parts of my life.

I probably need to stop the self-indulgent introspection. I really do know how fortunate I am not to ‘need’ a promotion or work any harder than I do. But I think I do need to find another focus, be it a more challenging hobby or some further study or something else…

Thanks for all of your comments.

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weepingwillow22 · 06/11/2020 14:12

Your post really resonated with me. I have been coasting for the last 10 years. I work 3 days a week from home for a very small employer who is unable to offer any further career progression. To progress would mean upping my hours and commuting and I am reluctant to loose the work life balance and we don't really need the extra money.

Rather than look to progress I have decided to enjoy things are they are with a view when the children are older to go self employed and get fullfillment that way. Maybe this is an option for you?

buzzy1 · 06/11/2020 14:12

Have you thought about a senior voluntary role,e.g. Chair of an Exec Committee for a charity board of trustees? I do this for a local Scout group that my kids attend, so feel like I’m giving something back but also feel empowered to help make key decisions for the benefit of the group. You should also be able to access training to equip you for the role.

DorisDaisyMay · 06/11/2020 14:31

Take some time to really define success for you. Is it a loving, stable family with time to do your hobbies/keep on top of life admin and do meaningful work pay time?

If so, sounds like you have made it!!

If success is a high salary and out of the house 60 hours+ a week but you have childcare, cleaner etc then there is still time and room to move into that role.

Before you sell your time - really really think what do you want to do with your time, because that in the end is what you exchange, you are in such a privileged position to have such choices.

PegasusReturns · 06/11/2020 14:39

It’s ok to coast and it’s ok not to be driven and to prefer balance and comfort.

Do you feel like you should be doing something rather than really wanting to?

You don’t have to go for a promotion if that’s not what you want, different approaches suit different people. Conversely I always think I’d like to slow down, I’ve got myself into situations where I can take a break and breathe but I don’t. I just take on more stuff. I think you’re either one or the other. No approach to life is better, they’re just different.

ellsbellls · 06/11/2020 17:05

@buzzy1 I've considered a voluntary role like you suggest and should perhaps give it some more thought. There is definitely something about 'giving something back' and making more of a difference that is niggling away at me.

@DorisDaisyMay I know I am privileged to even be thinking about this. I was embarrassed to start the thread really. My husband rationalises it in exactly the same way that you have, in terms of the value of my time but there's something else about a sense of personal achievement.

@PegasusReturns 100 percent feel that I should be doing it. Not sure how much I genuinely want to. If I'm honest, probably not that much.

Thanks all for your comments.

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ellsbellls · 06/11/2020 17:17

@DorisDaisyMay Totally agree that I need to re-think what success means to me now as a 40 odd year old rather than what it probably used to mean when I was (a lot) younger.

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DorisDaisyMay · 06/11/2020 17:31

I really don’t think you should feel any embarrassment about starting the thread - the point is to get lots of points of view.

The fact is I get it. I am really ambitious - it’s just in me to be driven. But at the moment I have a really brilliant part time role, time with kids etc but I want more!! I am planning to work more but I am concentrating on making that as lucrative and specialist, and I am using my part time role to trial all the things I will want to offer as a consultant. I don’t ever have to go back to being beholden to an employer.

DorisDaisyMay · 06/11/2020 17:31

Missed out - as lucrative and specialist as possible

DorisDaisyMay · 06/11/2020 17:32

Also I am 42

TheRuleofStix · 06/11/2020 17:34

Have you been reading my mind OP??? I’m late 40s and my kids are a little older than yours but everything else (even the considering a PhD Grin) is identical! I feel my 21 yr old self would be sooo disappointed in what I’ve achieved in life. Sad

mynameiscalypso · 06/11/2020 17:36

I absolutely get where you're coming from. I've slipped behind my peers in terms of promotion for all sorts of reasons (including maternity leave and also DH bring a higher earner so not really feeling so much pressure). Part of my problem is all ego-driven. I think that I should be given promotions and recognised for my brilliance (ahem) for just being me rather than actively seek out new challenges. This strategy worked okay in more junior roles but, inevitably, you have to fight for it more as you get more senior and I get frustrated when I don't but also frustrated when I don't get the promotion etc

mynameiscalypso · 06/11/2020 17:37

Oh I missed the phd bit! Me too! I've done a masters in law while on maternity leave for shits and giggles and considering a phd (even though I know If be rubbish at it because I don't have the drive)

Mischance · 06/11/2020 17:44

Does under-achievement exist I wonder?

Sure - if someone misses out on education and is not able to do the things they wish, then that is tough, but remediable.

But it does not sound as if this is you. You sound like someone who has balance in their life - who does not want to step up the ladder and take on more responsibility as it will tip that balance in the wrong direction. It will bring with it more stress - and who says you should load yourself with more stress if you do not want to?

I am retired now, but I chose not to climb the greasy pole but to stay grounded in my profession - actually dealing with real people myself, rather than managing other professionals and just shifting bits of paper around. I then jumped off the wheel altogether and spent 10 years in photography, arts outreach, running singing workshops - hugely detrimental to my pension but lots of fun!

I think you need to re-think what personal achievement really is. Is it about climbing the same ladder as everyone else; or might it be about doing things that really matter to you? Make a list of what you have achieved. And don't forget to include family things, or instances when what you did simply made your or someone else's life better.

This is what us known as a mid-life crisis - embrace it as an opportunity. You do not necessarily have to go quite as mad as I did and jump off the wheel completely; but maybe you could make a list of some of the things that you might enjoy doing.

And above all else cut out the "shoulds" - especially those that come from outside you - do not concern yourself with what others think you should have achieved, or with their puzzlement that you are not climbing the pole as the script demands.

When looking back I have never regretted my decisions. They enhanced my quality of life and that of others.

alwayslearning789 · 06/11/2020 17:49

Hi OP...

Same age range as you, same sector, same thoughts.

"* I enjoy my days off. I go to the gym, catch up with friends, cook, read, keep on top of the housework and life admin. My husband also works part-time and we have a really good balance. He is the higher earner. We don’t need the extra money that a promotion for me would bring..... The truth is that I don’t want to do a job at the next level. I just want to prove to myself and others that I could do it if I wanted to."*

I've rationalized it in my own mind by thinking - actually - I'm now doing what works for Me - not for other people, as you do in the rat race.

We are in a privileged position to be top of middle management with some responsibility but still able to lead our lives without the extra stress.

You've done good and are lucky to be in this position in these times.

Enjoy your children and your time - they will grow fast, the days are long and the years are short. Best Wishes, OP...

Mischance · 06/11/2020 17:50

Just to add - you are part of one of the first generations where women really have had the chance for equal education and to join and gain advancement in the same professions as men. This is great ......but..........just because you can do it does not mean that you have to do it ......it may not be right for you.

I can sit on the sidelines now and one of the things that hits me like a brick is that women have gained so much, but that they have also tied themselves in to feeling that because they have these opportunities they should do it all, even when they might rather not.

And the same applies in many ways to men - they were sent up the greasy pole whether they wanted it or not; and would it not be great if both men and women could find some balance in their lives?

Ilikewinter · 06/11/2020 17:51

Oh wow this is me except im 44 and work full time and have no kids. I stepped down from higher to middle manager 5 years ago due to stress, havent regretted that but am desperate to do something more meaningful. I can do my job with my eyes shut and im bored. I did get a civil service job 3 years ago that i turned down, i know it was due to fear and desperately regret that! Im lucky as DH is the higher earner and we are comfortable but gosh i need to do something more with my working life .

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