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How are Farley's Rusks allowed to be sold as suitable baby food?

153 replies

00100001 · 09/07/2020 18:19

They have 4.9g of sugar in them! Per biscuit...not per 100g!

For reference a McVities milk hocolate digestive has 4.8g of sugar per biscuit

Does anyone know why they're allowed?

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Deathraystare · 10/07/2020 06:41

Hey! I was brought up on them! That's what has made me the woman I am today (fat with a sweet tooth!). Anyway, my dad said most of it was stored behind my ear!

Hedgehog44 · 10/07/2020 06:43

DS had them and I had hundreds as a baby and as an adult. I've never needed a filling! I love them!

00100001 · 10/07/2020 06:44

Mumsnet I'd a wonderful place full of contradictions.

On a ' is this lunch ok for my 6yo?'
hummus sandwich, grapes and water.
Posters would shriek "ou gave your 6yo grapes as ? That's just pure sugar how terrible! Swap for carrot sticks and cubes of cheese immediately!!!!!"

But apparently it's absolutely fine to give 4m olds sugar biscuits because we're not allowed to judge 😂

I love you Mumsnet 😍

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00100001 · 10/07/2020 06:46

FWIW, My ds did have rusks.

But as it happens, I still don't think they're appropriate for babies. And I still so wonder WHY they're allowed to be sold as suitable food for a baby!

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BertieBotts · 10/07/2020 07:11

Well, because there aren't many laws about what is allowed to be marketed as suitable for babies. Laws aren't really the best way to achieve this anyway because if you legislate you just get companies finding a way around it, which is why everything marketed at children now has massive amounts of disgusting sweetener in instead of sugar.

What you need to bear in mind is that the company isn't interested in the best interests of your child (no company is), they are interested in their profit margins. You think Ella's Kitchen are any better? Their pouches are mostly apple, so full of sugar as well.

They are sold for babies because that is their branding and what they have always been. You don't buy rusks because you think they are a good and nutritious food for babies after reading the package, you buy them because you have a vague cultural memory that babies have milk and then are weaned onto Farley's rusks. I don't think Farley's even exists any more, they are owned by Heinz or something now, but they keep that branding because the association with little babies is so incredibly strong. They are a successful brand in that respect.

And as for the 4 months thing being "so they don't have to change the packaging for different countries" - not really, the packaging in France, Germany, Spain is in French/German/Spanish. The reason they say from 4 months in the UK is that there is no law saying otherwise. They would probably say from 6 weeks if they were allowed to say that. It's two months' extra profit from parents buying the product if you start weaning at 4 months (or even "nearly 4 months") rather than 6.

Babs709 · 10/07/2020 09:10

You need to look at an unbiased source ie not in the pay of food manufacturers,or magazines to sell! thank you... but I did know that. Thanks for the website link; I think I’ve even been on their site before. Even looking this morning hasn’t helped much, nutrition is apparently not something you can just get a simple crib sheet on. This website even talks about added sugars and natural sugars a free sugars. Baffles me. I tend to rely on my common sense... which has concluded that rusks shouldn’t be a staple part of a babies diet (despite what Heinz want me to believe) but the odd one isn’t going to kill anyone. I do worry about other parents common sense though... but not enough to have ever really thought it about it before OP started this thread.

BertieBotts · 10/07/2020 12:36

To be fair, though, I think we have moved on as a society from the idea that rusks mushed up in milk are a baby's first food.

Of course some people will still do that. But I don't think it's the norm any more. I weaned my babies in 2009 and 2019 and both times the norm (judging by what I saw other parents doing at the time) was baby rice and single-vegetable purees, with a good dose of "We're only doing BLW, no wallpaper paste for us!" - not the majority option, but something plenty of parents were doing. Commercial "baby porridge" or mushed up weetabix seems to be the modern alternative to rusks, and rice cakes the solid alternative.

I only know one person who did rusks as a weaning food, and they moved on from them pretty fast.

Seriously79 · 10/07/2020 14:30

Isn't it all about moderation? Yes, they are high in sugar - but surely once in a while isn't going to hurt. My daughter has them every so often and it doesn't bother me as the rest of her diet is fine.

Melonslicexx · 10/07/2020 15:14

I wonder sometimes if me and the friends I have are aliens. All people my age feed a variety of good and bad bits to their baby. I don't mean babies under 6-8 months particularly.

When I started weaning around 18 weeks with both I started with baby rice. Moved into pureed fruit and veg. Then added in jacket potatoes, tuna and meat from 6 months. With regards to snacking. I'd put half a rusk in with milk. Or mush up banana. A couple of those Ella's kitchen crisps or a biscotti or a petie filous yogurt.

I've carried that on with mine and they have good and bad snacks each day.

Typical day for mine

Weetabix, porridge, cornflakes or cocopops

Apple, banana, pear or grapes.

Lunch is usually toast, pasta or sandwich with things like cheese, tuna, cucumber, carrot sticks, tomato's and a yoghurt. Sometimes they have pom bears or something too.

Mid afternoon they will have a biscuit or cereal bar or more fruit.

Tea is usually mash and veg with something. Or spaghetti Bolognese, chicken dinners, wraps that kind of thing.

They both drink water, squash and fresh orange and apple juice. We rarely have a pudding but if they are still hungry after tea they either get a biscuit or a bowl of cereal before bed.

I don't feel I'm a terrible mother. I was raised on a similar diet and so was my partner.

All I know is my kids get their 5 a day. I also know many toddlers are fussy.
I also agree babies don't need heaps of sugar or salt. They need plenty of vegetables and fruits for those first tastes. But a small treat is harmless and shaming other mother's for having the option is abit harsh. As long as a child is loved and fed a fairly good diet that's what counts.

Sadly many people feed their kids macdonalds from a year old. I never did those things. When they turned two they had a rare happy meal with fish fingers but that was rare.

There are some parents who feed their children shocking diets. But I don't think it's the mum letting the baby have the odd rusk personally.

doyounothavegoogle · 10/07/2020 16:21

I would strongly recommend that the majority of the posters on this thread never browse the baby food aisles in a French supermarket. Almost everything is chocolate/pretending to be chocolate and anything vaguely porridge/cereal like advises that you just bung a few scoops in their bottle Hmm

My kids are grown up now (yes, they got fed rusks), but I do now have to shop for when the GC come to stay and it is a nightmare.

BertieBotts · 10/07/2020 16:44

Hahaha yes, French supermarkets are epic.

Germany is obsessed with giving babies tea. I ended up in a separate hospital from DS2 because I stupidly gave birth somewhere without a NICU. There I was desperately obsessing over every drop of colostrum and they were tube feeding him chamomile tea!!

BertieBotts · 10/07/2020 16:45

And formula. But at least that's expected/normal food for a newborn.

Melonslicexx · 10/07/2020 17:05

@BertieBotts

Mine were formula fed. My niece was breastfed.

No difference in their health.

I was also bottle fed. Grew up on a farm and never got poorly as a kid. Never had allergies. Never broke any bones. I've got no fillings.

Babies thrive on formula. We live in such a judgemental world.

BertieBotts · 10/07/2020 17:26

Confused I was just explaining what my baby was fed in NICU

quarentini · 10/07/2020 17:33

When Dd1 was a baby. I always spread cow &gate chocolate pudding on rusks and had them with a brew. ''Twas lovely.

00100001 · 10/07/2020 18:44

@Seriously79

Isn't it all about moderation? Yes, they are high in sugar - but surely once in a while isn't going to hurt. My daughter has them every so often and it doesn't bother me as the rest of her diet is fine.
Yes. Moderation is fine. Giving a 14mo old fine.

But a 4 month old??

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TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 10/07/2020 18:48

@quarentini

When Dd1 was a baby. I always spread cow &gate chocolate pudding on rusks and had them with a brew. ''Twas lovely.
The first thing my step dad bought my ds1 was chocolate pudding. I think ds was about 2 days old Grin
00100001 · 10/07/2020 18:53

@Melonslicexx

I wonder sometimes if me and the friends I have are aliens. All people my age feed a variety of good and bad bits to their baby. I don't mean babies under 6-8 months particularly.

When I started weaning around 18 weeks with both I started with baby rice. Moved into pureed fruit and veg. Then added in jacket potatoes, tuna and meat from 6 months. With regards to snacking. I'd put half a rusk in with milk. Or mush up banana. A couple of those Ella's kitchen crisps or a biscotti or a petie filous yogurt.

I've carried that on with mine and they have good and bad snacks each day.

Typical day for mine

Weetabix, porridge, cornflakes or cocopops

Apple, banana, pear or grapes.

Lunch is usually toast, pasta or sandwich with things like cheese, tuna, cucumber, carrot sticks, tomato's and a yoghurt. Sometimes they have pom bears or something too.

Mid afternoon they will have a biscuit or cereal bar or more fruit.

Tea is usually mash and veg with something. Or spaghetti Bolognese, chicken dinners, wraps that kind of thing.

They both drink water, squash and fresh orange and apple juice. We rarely have a pudding but if they are still hungry after tea they either get a biscuit or a bowl of cereal before bed.

I don't feel I'm a terrible mother. I was raised on a similar diet and so was my partner.

All I know is my kids get their 5 a day. I also know many toddlers are fussy.
I also agree babies don't need heaps of sugar or salt. They need plenty of vegetables and fruits for those first tastes. But a small treat is harmless and shaming other mother's for having the option is abit harsh. As long as a child is loved and fed a fairly good diet that's what counts.

Sadly many people feed their kids macdonalds from a year old. I never did those things. When they turned two they had a rare happy meal with fish fingers but that was rare.

There are some parents who feed their children shocking diets. But I don't think it's the mum letting the baby have the odd rusk personally.

You give McDonald's as an example as 'nad food' and as I'm talking about sugar content there's half the sugar in a Happy Meal. For example, 4 chicken nuggets (0.4g) and chips (0.4g) with a fruit shoot (1.6g) has a total of 2.4g of sugar compared to the 4.9g in a Rusk.

I'd be inclined to give a 11mo the happy meal over the rusk!

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00100001 · 10/07/2020 18:54

[quote Melonslicexx]@BertieBotts

Mine were formula fed. My niece was breastfed.

No difference in their health.

I was also bottle fed. Grew up on a farm and never got poorly as a kid. Never had allergies. Never broke any bones. I've got no fillings.

Babies thrive on formula. We live in such a judgemental world.[/quote]
No-one mentioned comparing the type of milk you feed your baby...

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TSSDNCOP · 10/07/2020 19:05

They are yummy with black currant jam on Blush

marmitelover13 · 10/07/2020 19:10

I wouldn't worry overly, it's all about having a balanced diet, a rusk every so often with a balanced diet is fine, just like adults. I mean don't make it their main food source, but it's probably fine to feed them! DD loved them, my objection was that they're huge and so when the whole thing got hucked on the floor after it had been gobbed all over and had to go in the bin, which was an expensive waste.

Zhampagne · 10/07/2020 19:18

[quote Melonslicexx]**@BertieBotts

Mine were formula fed. My niece was breastfed.

No difference in their health.

I was also bottle fed. Grew up on a farm and never got poorly as a kid. Never had allergies. Never broke any bones. I've got no fillings.

Babies thrive on formula. We live in such a judgemental world.[/quote]
We do when you see judgement in purely factual posts. @BertieBotts didn’t express any opinion about formula vs breast milk. She just mentioned that formula does a very good job of keeping babies alive in NICU.

Zhampagne · 10/07/2020 19:20

Also - is it wrong of me to be a tiny bit disappointed that in nearly 150 posts about rusks nobody has offered OP a passive-aggressive MN Biscuit?

Grin
00100001 · 10/07/2020 19:25
Grin
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LadyMonicaBaddingham · 10/07/2020 19:27

I want a rusk now, you goady lot 😂