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Student midwife due to qualify this year. AMA.

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Anonymous2003 · 21/01/2025 21:39

Thought this may be fun :)
Please no questions seeking medical advice

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Destiny123 · 02/02/2025 12:44

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 28/01/2025 12:36

@Anonymous2003 - how much general nursing training do you get? For example, do you get training on how to nurse someone who has had major abdominal surgery - like a c-section?

I trained as a nurse back in the days before it was a degree course, and most of our training was on the job. Back then, midwives had to do their general training and then a further course to qualify as midwives, so they had three years of experience in nursing patients with a wide range of medical and surgical conditions - so I am wondering how you get this now, given that you do a specific course as midwives. Do you get any general nursing experience?

Unfortunately there's now direct entry midwives that don't do nursing degrees first. Think it's a real shame (most obstetricians/anaesthetists feel strongly on it as the knowledge difference is huge and I'd encourage anyone considering to do nursing first

Destiny123 · 02/02/2025 12:46

Anonymous2003 · 29/01/2025 22:36

@SP2024 we do get pretty good training and part of our final exam is an emergency simulation, one of which is breech birth. We do hands on simulation (as close to real life as you can get with a mannequin and doll 🤣). But realistically vaginal breech birth is basically unheard of, every woman with a breech baby goes for a c section if I'm being totally honest.

Depends how late they present, I've seen 3 in the last 8y

Destiny123 · 02/02/2025 12:50

heroinechic · 30/01/2025 14:33

Is there a reason you can think of that a woman would be denied gas and air? And is there any consideration of previous birth history when a woman arrives even if they aren't much dilated?

With my DD I attended the hospital having three contractions in ten minutes. My waters had gone and I was struggling with the pain. I was assessed at 1-2cm and told I could either go home or go to the ward to be induced. I declined both as I was pretty sure I was in labour even if my cervix didn't agree!

They found a room for me to "see what happens" and I asked for gas and air but they said no (I didn't ask the reason). Two hours later my husband went looking for a midwife as I was pushing. I was 10cm and as they were rushing round trying to get a monitor on the baby & me (we had been completely unattended), I asked for gas and air and was denied again, she told me I needed to concentrate for pushing.

I'm pregnant again and hoping that next time they'll take me a bit more seriously about my pain levels and not just assume my labour isn't progressing if I am only 1-2cm again, because it advanced so quickly last time. I'd rather not have a completely unmediated birth this time!

You don't go to labour ward till active labour (>4cm) and antenatal wards don't have nitrous is why most likely. V few reasons medically not to

Destiny123 · 02/02/2025 12:55

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 30/01/2025 20:15

Following on from both of these points- is it true that they are talking about getting rid of gas and air?! I don't know how I'd give birth without it. I don't like the idea of an epidural. All I had for both of mine was gas and air. Well got a shot of pethidine with number 2 but don't think it made a blind bit of difference other than make me trip out a bit so won't do that again.

Also re GBS. What if the mother refuses the antibiotic drip? I had it with birth 2 and it was vile, the canulla was worse than giving birth I hated it so bad, plus the antibiotics gave my baby a really upset stomach. I have no idea if I had GBS with baby 1. It only came up because I was swabbed due to spotting with baby 2.
So because it isn't routinely tested, surely it can't be that bad if 1 in 4 women have it? I read all the scare stories about sepsis so went for the drip with Number 2 but think I may decline for baby 3?

No. Just some units had too high levels to make it safe to work. It is temporarily withdrawn while scavenging systems are installed. The rates of epidurals went v high during that time

Nothing "happens" is decline abx that's an individuals right to. They just get told risks and benefits and baby will be more closely monitored post delivery. If you really wanted could ask to have the dose thrn cannula removed

Thornybush · 02/02/2025 13:23

heroinechic · 02/02/2025 08:32

@Thornybush I totally agree with this as I had a similar experience with a fast labour and feeling dismissed however I will just say that my friend has recently become a student midwife and she said that they turn 40 women away a day who attend and aren't actually in labour, just experiencing braxton hicks or similar.

I suppose after time, it would be difficult to trust that women know what's going on, when you see so many every day who don't. I can see why women rely on their experience so heavily as opposed to what they're being told, but then again, in an ideal world they should always check!

Yes I see what you're saying re Braxton Hicks but surely there is a way of knowing when someone is in agony vs slight discomfort.

heroinechic · 02/02/2025 14:27

@Anonymous2003 @Mama05070704 I have another question if you don't mind! Do you see women refusing vaginal examinations often?

I feel like I was dismissed last time because I was only 1-2cm at arrival despite the regularity of my contractions and my pain. I didn't advocate well for myself because although I knew I was in a lot of pain, I didn't know I was going to be 10cm and pushing two hours later.

I'm thinking if I refuse an examination, they will have to just trust in what they can see and what I'm telling them, or could it have the opposite effect?

Mama05070704 · 02/02/2025 14:37

heroinechic · 02/02/2025 14:27

@Anonymous2003 @Mama05070704 I have another question if you don't mind! Do you see women refusing vaginal examinations often?

I feel like I was dismissed last time because I was only 1-2cm at arrival despite the regularity of my contractions and my pain. I didn't advocate well for myself because although I knew I was in a lot of pain, I didn't know I was going to be 10cm and pushing two hours later.

I'm thinking if I refuse an examination, they will have to just trust in what they can see and what I'm telling them, or could it have the opposite effect?

Not that often to be honest but I think that's because a lot of women aren't aware they have the right to refuse! I always make it clear on why I'm offering the examination and that they can decline. I tend not to do them, unless it's clinically indicated and/or the person requests an examination. There are lots of other external signs to look for in terms of progress in labour, that don't require us to examine you every few hours.

SparklingJoyous · 05/02/2025 14:09

How common is it for women to need gas and air for sweeps and for insertion of pessary/gel during induction?
How often do inductions fail and what's the main reason?

Anonymous2003 · 05/02/2025 19:46

@SparklingJoyous some women do ok without it for sweeps but others need it. Almost everyone uses the gas for pessaries, in my experience.
It's hard for me as a student to say how many inductions 'fail' but I think being induced too early plays a part.

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elliejjtiny · 06/02/2025 10:41

How old were the oldest and youngest women you have looked after?

What do you think about women who go against medical advice in their pregnancies or births? Does it make you feel nervous? Do you judge them? Or do you think they are brave for standing up for themselves?

Can CTG monitors cause harm to babies? My now 16 year old was always very quiet with not much movement during pregnancy apart from when they but the CTG monitor on me and then he always started leaping about and moving loads more than any of my others did. He was moving continuously with no moments when I couldn't feel him moving. He was later diagnosed with autism and sensory processing disorder and I have always wondered since then that the monitor may have somehow upset him.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/02/2025 11:17

When I was a student nurse, doing my Obs and Gynae allocation, and was on the Labour ward, I flicked through the register of births, and found one 11 year old girl listed as having given birth, @elliejjtiny. This was in the mid-80s.

Horrifying. I hope she got help.

Anonymous2003 · 06/02/2025 12:54

@elliejjtiny youngest 16 oldest 43.
Second question, it depends really on what the medical advice is.
I don't believe that CTGs have long lasting effects on babies after birth.

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YouAgainDamnIt · 06/02/2025 13:20

This is a lovely thread! I was lucky enough to have two textbook labours, my first my local hospital and second in a midwife - led unit nearby and I would say the experiences were worlds apart emotionally, just in terms of the care provided by staff. You could tell the hospital ward was a lot busier, staff were more abrupt and less available, I was left in bloodied bed sheets all day, nobody was bothered that I had missed out on meals, breastfeeding advice was brusque and minimal to the point I gave the baby a bottle just so I could leave and try again at home in peace whereas at the MW led unit where I assume they had more time, I was treated with so much care, had my own room with a double bed for my husband to stay with me to help care for the baby, helped to the shower, breakfast brought etc, they were really amazing. Would you consider a midwife led unit for your own birth if you were low risk and there was space available or would you always have one eye on the risks as a professional and opt for hospital instead?

Anonymous2003 · 06/02/2025 13:22

@YouAgainDamnIt wow those sound like two very different experiences. Because I have never given birth I don't know how I would react to pain, and obviously on MLU you can only use gas and air, so I don't think it is something I could decide until I was in labour.

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