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RhiannonEMumsnet · 30/06/2024 19:34

Hi all, thanks for your questions so far. Tom will be joining us very shortly (once extra time is done!).

Thanks,
MNHQ

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 09:18

Hi all - we've deleted a number of posts on this thread because they were personal attacks.

We invited Tom on to Mumsnet as someone who might have some good insights into the man likely to be our next PM, not as a substitute or spokesperson for Keir Starmer or the Labour Party. I appreciate it can be frustrating if your question doesn't get answered, or not answered in the way you'd hope but Tom kindly gave up a couple of his hours over dinner time on a Sunday evening to answer our questions and the least we'd ask is for civility (and for him not to panned for leaving to get a takeaway!)

Thanks,
Justine

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 09:20

Flowers4me · 01/07/2024 09:18

I found the thread illuminating. I got the feeling he was having to check his replies to us via Starmer HQ, there were sometimes too many long pauses while he curated the right response. I also felt patronised again - do they think we're stupid and we can't read through what they're saying? I'm getting so sick of this crap, particularly from Labour who I wanted to support but now no longer can. But also, his responses gave more light to what KS is as a person and I was not reassured by that. I get a feeling that KS is not as democratic as he makes himself out to be and that he is quite happy to run roughshod over anyone who doesn't agree with him. And isn't that the case regarding women's rights; he's made his mind up, it seems, and he won't be budged - that's the impression I'm getting.

I'm 100% sure Tom wasn't checking anything with Starmer HQ

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 09:34

RingingForTea · 01/07/2024 09:25

Why was Bowlfullofmush' s post and consequently my reply to them deleted? <confused>. Was it because he was criticised for prioritising the footie and takeaway?

Of course, I do sympathise with a yummy takeaways coming first 😋. Hope it was a good one.

I have always loved MN for its feminist robustness.

Yes it was. As said - Tom gave up a couple of hours on a Sunday evening to answer Mner's questions at our invitation - it's bizarre and quite rude imho to criticise him for leaving the chat (we'd asked him to do a couple of hours) and getting a takeaway (he didn't have time to cook anything!)

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 10:22

GailBlancheViola · 01/07/2024 09:52

it's bizarre and quite rude imho to criticise him for leaving the chat (we'd asked him to do a couple of hours) and getting a takeaway (he didn't have time to cook anything!)

Justine, you are not helping the way he came across with that comment, sorry. He was late to the chat due to the football and then closed it due to his takeaway arriving because he didn't have time to cook anything? C'mon.

It was an illuminating chat but I doubt in the way he and Keir Starmer thought it would be.

We used to have a message at the top of webchats saying please treat guests the same way as you would if they came to your house for a cuppa. - you wouldn't berate someone who arrived a few minutes late and for leaving on time to get some dinner. Maybe we need to reiterate that principle...

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 10:23

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 01/07/2024 10:22

It's bizarre MNHQ accepts women being treated in the way Labour HQ saw fit to. But what can you do.

Sorry really don't get that?

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 10:25

senua · 01/07/2024 10:18

it's bizarre and quite rude imho to criticise him for leaving the chat (we'd asked him to do a couple of hours) and getting a takeaway (he didn't have time to cook anything!)
I appreciated that he did longer than the usual one hour stint but you'd think someone in the political world could give a better excuse for leaving e.g. my time is up (rather than Deliveroo has arrived).
It was tone-deaf.

Didn't you think it "bizarre and quite rude" that he was late due to football, fgs!

Not really - I was late due to the football! I suspect quite a lot of Mners were...

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 10:32

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 01/07/2024 10:27

Come on. They wheel out a third party. Who ignores many questions like mine about the only charity with statutory safeguarding powers, and tries to convince us "shrill" is a term used for men (it isn't).

At least Sunak came to his Q&A.

And yes. I do think we and our children worth more than a slot around the football. It's demeaning.

They didn't "wheel him out" though. We asked him on and it had nothing to do with Labour HQ

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 10:41

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 01/07/2024 10:27

Come on. They wheel out a third party. Who ignores many questions like mine about the only charity with statutory safeguarding powers, and tries to convince us "shrill" is a term used for men (it isn't).

At least Sunak came to his Q&A.

And yes. I do think we and our children worth more than a slot around the football. It's demeaning.

There is no "they" and as I've explained there is no obligation to answer every question - Tom Baldwin is Keir's biographer - not a spokesperson - he probably knows nothing about the particular case you raised. Can you please stop being rude on this thread now?

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 10:50

GailBlancheViola · 01/07/2024 10:33

He was more than a few minutes late, Justine.

He wasn't just popping in for a cuppa though was he? Yes, I'd be annoyed if someone pitched up half an hour late for something I'd organised and then left at the time agreed. I'd find it rude and dismissive.

Well truth is by your standards we wouldn't have many people willing to come on and do AMAs - Tom messaged to say would it be alright if he joined after the football and we said fine as most of the country were watching the football. If we want people to do this kind of thing we really need to be civil to them.

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 11:26

RingingForTea · 01/07/2024 11:19

one thing and then I must stop procrastinating. i would have thought political parties would strictly manage and control any coms, especially on busy online forums, so close to the elections? or is there a sense that a super majority is given and one doesn't care any longer about every single vote? i don't really know much about these things, just wondering from a common sense point of view one wouldn't want to be too laid back or careless at such a sensitive point in the election timeline?

Edited

I want to make the point again that this was not an 'official' appearance - we asked Tom B on because he's recently written a biography of Keir Starmer and we thought he'd have some interesting insights. It wasn't done via Labour HQ with whom we've been talking separately about a chat with Keir (thus far they've not found us a time).

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 13:00

Zonder · 01/07/2024 11:00

Can you explain why you did that q&a with Sunak which didn't fact check or give any challenge to what he said, and then rather than doing the same with Starmer you got someone who wrote a book about him on, who obviously can't answer questions for him?

Why are you treating the two leaders / parties so differently and can you see why so many people thought both were disappointing?

Hey Zonder - we've asked the party leaders of Labour, Cons and Libdems on to face questions live - so far only Rishi Sunak has agreed to do it but only as a written q&a (said he didn't have time in schedule for a live appearance). This chat with Tom was not a substitute and had nothing to do with Labour HQ - was more of an insight into the man who most likely will be PM. We're still hoping for Keir (but I guess it's a long shot, seeing how risk averse they've been).

We don't typically 'fact check' politicians' answers (we're not the BBC) - were I asking the questions direct on video chat I would press on things that were factually dubious but we've found our users do a pretty good job of doing that themselves on written chats.

Thanks

JustineMumsnet · 01/07/2024 13:22

dougalfromthemagicroundabout · 01/07/2024 12:49

Actually I would if they were coming to discuss safeguarding my children. I'd think it was incredibly disrespectful given the matter being discussed.

He wasn't here to discuss the football. It was an 'ask me anything' not an 'ask me only socially polite questions that you'd have if a friend popped around for a cup of tea one evening'. No one would bother if it was the latter. We wouldn't be here.

We're talking about democracy - or IMO in the case of Labour their actions suggesting they'd quite like to destroy it - this is weighty stuff. Women on here care about women's human rights and child safeguarding. If he'd spent 5 minutes on the site he'd know this would be the line of questioning he'd get.

He was asked "Does Kier recognise there is a serious child safeguarding scandal happening right now? Is he aware of the NSPCC's handling of James Makings and Munroe Bergdorf, and if so, what would his government do to ensure the NSPCC has made the necessary changes following that incident?"

I'm pretty sure Tom didn't answer because he simply doesn't know the answer to that specific question. Again he's not a labour party spokesperson and he's not Keir Starmer.

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