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Professional landlord -AMA

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 09/03/2023 20:32

Mumsnet gives LL's such a hard time, so i'm going to start this thread and then hide. I started investing in my early twenties (myself and DP bought our first home, then we let it out and bought another cheap one to live in, remortgaged our first and bought another let, did it up, remortgaged it and bought another etc etc). These were in the days of self certs, you wouldn't be able to do it now - it was so lax, and property so much cheaper (our first one was a 3 bed in East London for about 127k). We took money out on credit cards for deposits! Anyway, we now have about 40 odd. We are genuinely decent landlords - we rent out at market rent, but go above and beyond making our properties lovely - we refurb a few each year and put in dishwashers, wine fridges - i make them how i would want them. It helps that i love interior design and i care about the local environment - i would hate one of our properties to be known as one that brings down the street.
Our tenants are mainly students and they are mainly student flats - ie a family wouldn't want them.
We both come from lower working class and neither had any financial leg ups, although my parents couldn't have been more supportive in the early days - helping us paint, clean, put in kitchens etc.

It's been bloody hard graft over the years - many lovely summers in our twenties stripping wallpaper, but its paid off and we are now comfortably off with lots of hilarious memories. We are still shit at DIY.

So AMA!

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Thinkwicebeforeyouleavemylife · 10/03/2023 18:21

gamerchick · 10/03/2023 17:37

You did the AMA. How much do you charge per unit and we can times it by 40 easy.

Clearly that's not going to bring up the answer

Versailles2023 · 10/03/2023 18:23

@Thinkwicebeforeyouleavemylife saying “But also, no one has a 'right' to be able to buy a house which is what some people seem to be implying.”

You and the OP would make the best of friends so happy for you both.

Versailles2023 · 10/03/2023 18:25

Thinkwicebeforeyouleavemylife · 10/03/2023 18:21

Clearly that's not going to bring up the answer

Clearly the OP had no idea either….. honestly.

Thinkwicebeforeyouleavemylife · 10/03/2023 18:34

Versailles2023 · 10/03/2023 18:23

@Thinkwicebeforeyouleavemylife saying “But also, no one has a 'right' to be able to buy a house which is what some people seem to be implying.”

You and the OP would make the best of friends so happy for you both.

If you say so 😘

MarnieSQ · 10/03/2023 18:35

@Iwishicouldflyhigh I am hoping you are Glasgow based?

One of my DC’s and partner are in a tiny, scruffy flat, filled with furniture that looks like it has been picked up from beside the skip.

They would love to be anywhere but there, ‘googling’ shows a landlord with a poor track record, but as you said, they started work and masters qualifications and after weeks of being ‘150th on the list’ to view, just had to take the flat they are in.

They don't want long term, but two years. I thought about buying for them but unsure at this stage given they will probably move on. ( and demand for property has been immense too).

Caviarandgelatine · 10/03/2023 18:48

The mental gymnastics on this thread are something else.

No one has the right to buy a property but landlords have the right to buy 40

It's OK to own 40 properties because they're too big and expensive for all first time buyers

It's OK to own 40 properties because families don't want to live in that part of town

It's OK to own 40 properties because won't somebody think of the students

MumOf2workOptions · 10/03/2023 18:52

We've rented for years and had a mixture of good and bad landlords;

Due to some inheritance and us saving like mad we are in a position to buy our own home. We inherited my partners Nanna's house with his sister who let us buy her half at a decent price.

We are considering whether to completely renovate his Nanna's house for us or whether to just make it liveable and use some money as a second "buy to let" flat or something small and then gradually do up the house we will live in that was his Nanna's.

We're both 44. It's a 20 year mortgage and we have 2 kids, what do you think?

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 10/03/2023 19:45

Without knowing all the details, that sounds like a sensible plan. I’m happy to answer any questions, if you want to direct message me.

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 10/03/2023 19:55

MarnieSQ · 10/03/2023 18:35

@Iwishicouldflyhigh I am hoping you are Glasgow based?

One of my DC’s and partner are in a tiny, scruffy flat, filled with furniture that looks like it has been picked up from beside the skip.

They would love to be anywhere but there, ‘googling’ shows a landlord with a poor track record, but as you said, they started work and masters qualifications and after weeks of being ‘150th on the list’ to view, just had to take the flat they are in.

They don't want long term, but two years. I thought about buying for them but unsure at this stage given they will probably move on. ( and demand for property has been immense too).

We aren’t in Glasgow, but it was particularly bad there last year, I remember. There was a change to visa regs, and students were being told not to matriculate if they didn’t have accommodation, so your dc did well to get a flat, although it sounds a bit grim. Now will be a good time to find something else as it’s much quieter. If they want to move, avoid the summer!

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 10/03/2023 20:00

Thinkwicebeforeyouleavemylife · 10/03/2023 18:17

I work in property lettings op. You sound lovely.

Landlords get such a bashing, they're seen as so unreasonable and money grabbing even though it's a business like any other. People forget that for lots of sections of society, renting is desired and needed. Buying a house isn't what everyone wants, for whatever reason that may be. But also, no one has a 'right' to be able to buy a house which is what some people seem to be implying.

The narrative nowadays that greedy landlords are somehow stealing all the property is simply not true. For many landlords I work with, they barely even break even every month due to all the costs.

I don't have any questions but hats off to you. It's a thankless task sometimes especially when you have a high turnover of tenants and a lot of properties.

Oh thank you xx

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isthisit83 · 10/03/2023 21:25

gamerchick · 10/03/2023 17:37

You did the AMA. How much do you charge per unit and we can times it by 40 easy.

LMAO. You obviously don't understand how rental properties work. These properties are leveraged. The income from the properties pays back the loan and other costs. It doesn't go straight into the OPs pocket. In fact, a lot of landlords make absolutely nothing on a monthly basis from rental properties but hold long term for captain gain. It's not actually easy money. Properties need a lot of up keep and loans have to be paid back 🙄

isthisit83 · 10/03/2023 21:31

@Iwishicouldflyhigh I agree with previous posters. No idea why landlords get such a bad rap. We need rental properties! Rents are not high because landlords are greedy. I'm sorry that more people don't understand how it all works. I commend you for building up a portfolio and your property business. It's a shame the government haven't done more to build more houses.

Stickmansmum · 10/03/2023 21:34

DojaPhat · 09/03/2023 21:15

I can't seem to find my violin anywhere, it's so tiny it might be hiding in my eyebrows.

Huh? Where was she looking for sympathy?

gamerchick · 10/03/2023 22:00

isthisit83 · 10/03/2023 21:25

LMAO. You obviously don't understand how rental properties work. These properties are leveraged. The income from the properties pays back the loan and other costs. It doesn't go straight into the OPs pocket. In fact, a lot of landlords make absolutely nothing on a monthly basis from rental properties but hold long term for captain gain. It's not actually easy money. Properties need a lot of up keep and loans have to be paid back 🙄

I don't care about any of that. I just want to know how much the OP charges in rent.

littlelandlord7 · 11/03/2023 07:02

Brilliant topic OP and well done on the success of your well run portfolio and care for tenants!

  1. If you were starting again now what strategy would you focus on?
  1. Do you live near your investing patch?
  1. If you could have less houses but higher value would you?
  1. Do have a large loan facility with a high street bank or use more specialist lenders?

I'm a fellow landlord down south with the same vision for tenants. I currently self manage. I only have a handful of houses but looks a similar value to your portfolio. I really like the student market so keen to expand. Also working full time so S24 is terrible but for the bigger picture I take it for now as salary can prop up property business.

Ours are within 20-30 mins from home and I've only been looking within that remit for my next buy due to work/family commitments. I don't often get many in my patch that come up for auction or low enough to add value, and refinance. If I leave the day job I'll look a bit further afield I think and have more time to find deals.

lady725516 · 11/03/2023 07:12

Thank you for doing this op. So much negativity but business is business and it sounds like you and your husband have worked really hard to get to where you are today!

I would like to eventually buy somewhere to let out and use it as a pension pot. Any recommendations on what's best to buy? Or just buy the most we could afford? Do you get much hassle from students?

Caviarandgelatine · 11/03/2023 08:46

Here's a question OP, do you mind your tenants wearing shoes inside or would you prefer it if they just wore socks? I hear landlords like socks

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 11/03/2023 09:07

littlelandlord7 · 11/03/2023 07:02

Brilliant topic OP and well done on the success of your well run portfolio and care for tenants!

  1. If you were starting again now what strategy would you focus on?
  1. Do you live near your investing patch?
  1. If you could have less houses but higher value would you?
  1. Do have a large loan facility with a high street bank or use more specialist lenders?

I'm a fellow landlord down south with the same vision for tenants. I currently self manage. I only have a handful of houses but looks a similar value to your portfolio. I really like the student market so keen to expand. Also working full time so S24 is terrible but for the bigger picture I take it for now as salary can prop up property business.

Ours are within 20-30 mins from home and I've only been looking within that remit for my next buy due to work/family commitments. I don't often get many in my patch that come up for auction or low enough to add value, and refinance. If I leave the day job I'll look a bit further afield I think and have more time to find deals.

So my answer about the value (in a previous answer) was the net value - ie the equity in the combined portfolio (and in hindsight, that was probably on the low side). The actual value is around 7m plus.

When we started out, we never, ever envisioned the path our life has taken - we were about 23 when we bought our first house in London and it's just snowballed. Luck has definitely played its part in various ways (but i would also say that we've taken advantage of the luck that presented itself to us), so we definitely didn't have focus or strategy!

Both DP and i are quite 'fuck it' people in general and we aren't cautious and we don't overthink and analyse and i think that that has had a huge part in how our life has turned out. I have friends that have wanted to invest, but they over analyse everything too much and become parellised with worry and then don't act. DP and i aren't foolhardy, and we assess and do some research. Some of our most life changing (in hindsight) decisions were made when we were young and childless, so didn't have to worry about schools and decorating all weekend and every evening wasn't a problem.

We moved about every 6 months for a couple of years - buying derelict houses, living in them and doing them up, renting them and moving on to another one - not really feasible when you have children. We literally had no social life!!

My parents, although not wealthy at all, have been so supportive and backed us and whilst DP's parent laughed us (they actually did) when we said that we were going to buy another flat and let it out (when we were about 24), my parents were excited and enthusiastic and helped us do it up. So that confidence in us really helped.

We have made mistakes in hindsight definitely - but mainly regret that we didn't buy a certain house in an area that has now shot up in value, so yes, of course i'd change that sort of thing, but we are both really content in our life now so i can't actively regret anything that we did or didn't do (as the eventual path has led us to where we are now).

We have properties in various locations, but mainly in Scotland and we don't live there anymore. We've started buying a few closer to where we are, but we aren't actively buying anymore and instead are concentrating on upgrading our portfolio. Our aim is to make every one of them new build quality inside.

Point 3: Hmm, fors and against that one. Less houses means less expenses (gas tests etc) but also all eggs in one basket (ie if you have 4 houses and one is empty/arrears, you are losing a 1/4 of your income, whereas if you have 8 smaller ones, but same value overall and one is empty, you lose 1/8)). We have a mix, and we are generally happy with our portfolio.

A lot of the flats that we have we've bought as portfolios as going concerns and that's always a bit of a mixed bag.

Point 4: We use specialist everything now - lenders, insurance, accountants and tax advisors, but of course we've used high street in the past.

In terms of adding value, one of things that helped us most is never having a kitchen with a window! If you look at a property with a kitchen with a window, that is a wasted bedroom (as long as it's big enough), so you need to relocate the kitchen (to a box room, or turn the lounge open plan).

Also, contact agencies and ask if their LL's are selling. Offer to pay a finders fee at purchase, and guarantee that they'll keep the management. Actually i'd do that even if someone is first time buyer, just to get themselves on the ladder.

Personally i think that getting on the ladder is the most important thing that anyone can do, and if i was starting again, i wouldn't be as fussy as i was with the first house we bought. And if people can't afford to buy a house to live in themselves, they could consider buying a cheaper property to rent out (and continue renting themselves).

Wow, that is an epic answer, sorry!

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 11/03/2023 09:11

lady725516 · 11/03/2023 07:12

Thank you for doing this op. So much negativity but business is business and it sounds like you and your husband have worked really hard to get to where you are today!

I would like to eventually buy somewhere to let out and use it as a pension pot. Any recommendations on what's best to buy? Or just buy the most we could afford? Do you get much hassle from students?

Re students/hassle - no more 'hassle' from one group than another and as long as repairs are done quickly etc, then hopefully no hassle at all!

Sometimes it's exasperating when tenants literally do nothing for themselves (we regularly get emails saying that the bathroom light has gone off, can we please send an electrician), but we spend a lot of time educating tenants, trouble shooting and putting together 'how to' guides.

Re what to buy - it totally depends on the city/town and really comes down to research - speak to letting agents and find out what's in most demand etc.

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 11/03/2023 09:12

Caviarandgelatine · 11/03/2023 08:46

Here's a question OP, do you mind your tenants wearing shoes inside or would you prefer it if they just wore socks? I hear landlords like socks

I'm a socks only person in my house and when i visited the tenants in my house in London i assumed (given that they have young children) that they would be too, so DP and i took off our shoes whilst we had a look around.

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OutsideNumber9 · 11/03/2023 09:16

How do you engage with neighbours who have problems with your tenants?

I live next door to a shared house and have had issues. Have had to involve the council as the LL has always treated me very dismissively and done nothing, despite the council taking action each of the times I contacted them.

I also remember reading an online forum where LLs were discussing neighbours complaining about slamming fire doors and most were completely unsympathetic, joking about earplugs.

So, do you care about neighbours and the street / building where your properties are at all, or is it simply an annoyance if you hear from them? Honestly, these days I have quite a downer on owners of these houses as a result of my experiences.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 11/03/2023 10:17

OutsideNumber9 · 11/03/2023 09:16

How do you engage with neighbours who have problems with your tenants?

I live next door to a shared house and have had issues. Have had to involve the council as the LL has always treated me very dismissively and done nothing, despite the council taking action each of the times I contacted them.

I also remember reading an online forum where LLs were discussing neighbours complaining about slamming fire doors and most were completely unsympathetic, joking about earplugs.

So, do you care about neighbours and the street / building where your properties are at all, or is it simply an annoyance if you hear from them? Honestly, these days I have quite a downer on owners of these houses as a result of my experiences.

well we would be never be dismissive and would certainly listen and act accordingly. Sometimes neighbours can be unreasonable. , sometimes they are not.

however, if the property has an hmo license, you can object to it, so make sure you keep a record of the incidents.

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Sleeepdeprived · 14/03/2023 10:07

This is a really interesting thread, thanks OP! DH and I have always wanted to invest in property as he’s self-employed and doesn’t have a pension so thinking it may help us in our older years.

We currently own our own home but totally maxed out on our mortgage. We’re thinking of remortgaging at the end of our 5 year term and using that money to put down for a BTL property. I have a few questions -

  1. at what point is it worth setting up a LTD company? Once we have a few properties or straight away? I definitely like the sound of being able to offset the interest
  2. do you recommend interest only mortgages?
  3. any advice for a first timer in the current climate?

Thanks!

Deathbyfluffy · 14/03/2023 18:25

Stickmansmum · 10/03/2023 21:34

Huh? Where was she looking for sympathy?

She wasn’t, that poster was just trying to evoke a reaction by being a tosser. 🙂

Deathbyfluffy · 14/03/2023 18:26

Good on you OP, ignore the whingers any thread about landlords inevitably attracts.

You’ve worked hard for what you have, and long may it continue (with or without the tiny violin!)

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