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I'm a ghostwriter (but not Harry's!) - AMA

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Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 10:00

I've been a ghostwriter for more than ten years now - we're usually very much in the shadows, but Harry's book has perhaps made more people aware of what we do.

Amongst others, I've worked with bloggers, people who have done extraordinary things, instagrammers, business people, psychics, those who want to just record their own history for family reasons . . .

I find it really interesting and I'm fascinated by the lives of others. I have non disclosure agreements on a lot of books but if there's anything you'd like to ask, please do!

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Bimbleberries · 06/01/2023 14:07

Is there always an acknowledgement that there is a ghost, or do some people want to claim that it really is their own book?

Do you have to keep it a secret that you've written a book for someone or if you know/suspect someone else who's ghosted for someone? Or is it common knowledge who does which celeb's books?

Do you have to vary the style of writing to make it seem like a particular celeb wrote it, or is it the way that you'd have chosen to tell the story if it had been your own?

Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:07

Cheesybiscuitsmineallmine · 06/01/2023 13:43

Fascinating subject! How did you get into doing this, did you approach publishers or did they approach you? Or do you write for people who want to self publish?

People approach me, publishers bring me projects, some of the publisher ones are rescue jobs if they haven't gone well with another writer, a (rare) few I'll suggest to publishers I know.

A lot of people self-publish now as you just get so much more control. There's also hybrid publishing but you have to be very careful with that. Some crowdfund too.

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Hubblebubble · 06/01/2023 14:08

I'm a copywriter, so it's something I could definitely do, but I've found nothing reputable when looking online.

Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:10

MilkshakesBringAllTheCoosToTheYard · 06/01/2023 13:45

What's the process like?

How did you get into it/how do people get into it?

How do you find projects, or do projects find you?

What's the time commitment like, or does that depend on the subject? Say 80,000 words, how long would that take you and how much would you expect to be paid?

Sorry - so many questions, I'm a copywriter/feature writer and hadn't ever considered ghostwriting, but my interest is now piqued given recent events Grin

That's fine! Some info about a few of these above now that I'm back and answering them, but in terms of length, 60k is the minimum. I've had clients go up to double that, and some do more than one volume. It takes me about 4 months and payment varies, you can set your own level.

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Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:12

JauntyJinty · 06/01/2023 13:56

Very law abiding and boring I'm afraid!

I got thinking about it when the guy who scar face was based on was on Tiger King talking openly about some his crimes and your thread just reminded me!

I thought of another question though - I'm assuming the people you're ghosting get to read before publishing and often want changes? If so do they ever just totally tear what you've written to shreds or is more like "Can we leave that bit out please?"

Ah, that's a shame, I thought you had something fabulous for me!

Yes, the client always get to see it first and, thankfully never had it ripped to shreds! Little bits do get changed, memories can be recalled just by reading the first draft, more might have happened, or relationships may have altered. The client is always in control of the content.

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Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:13

Hubblebubble · 06/01/2023 14:05

Do you have an agency? And if so, please could you share?

I don't work with an agent I'm afraid - I have done in the past, but prefer it on my own, cuts out a layer!

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Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:15

Bimbleberries · 06/01/2023 14:07

Is there always an acknowledgement that there is a ghost, or do some people want to claim that it really is their own book?

Do you have to keep it a secret that you've written a book for someone or if you know/suspect someone else who's ghosted for someone? Or is it common knowledge who does which celeb's books?

Do you have to vary the style of writing to make it seem like a particular celeb wrote it, or is it the way that you'd have chosen to tell the story if it had been your own?

Lots of non disclosure agreements out there - and I've signed quite a few. Most people acknowledge you but, yes, plenty of celebs want to claim they wrote their own.

It's always in the voice of the client and that can change so much from project to project, which is what I love.

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Hubblebubble · 06/01/2023 14:16

Please could you share the names of agencies you've worked with in the past? Now you're established you get approached with work, but I would like to start out. It can be really tricky to sift through the mills

Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:17

If I've missed any questions, just give me a shove.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/01/2023 14:17

Have you been translated into Spanish? if so, did the translator do a good job?

Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:19

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/01/2023 14:17

Have you been translated into Spanish? if so, did the translator do a good job?

Well, I'm not sure they got the bit about being alarmed by my brother's baldness or getting shoved into a dog bowl quite right . . .

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Peony15 · 06/01/2023 14:21

Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 13:58

Not really!

She certainly could have, couldn't she? Some of the excerpts coming out are mind boggling. I think his was John Moehringer, an American ghost who has written his own book too.

www.standard.co.uk/insider/jr-moeringer-who-is-prince-harry-celebrity-memoirist-spare-b1050916.html?amp

looks like the ghostwriter has similar parental issues if the press can be believed.
A friend once showed me an autobiography his father commissioned, I now realize it must have been by a ghostwriter.
I was agog by the amount of sheer name and connection dropping to the Royal family/military here and abroad.
Father moved /worked in those circles.

His many own DC were barely mentioned, a few insignificant lines.
Think they were perceived as having not lived up to his standards.
It was eye
opening on many levels and felt very narcissistic in hindsight.
Do many people do commission you for that reason? An inflated sense of self importance ?
A fascinating profession by the way !

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/01/2023 14:25

Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:19

Well, I'm not sure they got the bit about being alarmed by my brother's baldness or getting shoved into a dog bowl quite right . . .

It's tricky situation to convey!

DanseAvecLesLoups · 06/01/2023 14:25

Quite a few of the 'minor' celebrities these days come across as utter thick as mince morons who can barely articulate a spoken sentence let alone write one. How hard is it to ghost write their story without losing the will to live?

Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:28

Peony15 · 06/01/2023 14:21

www.standard.co.uk/insider/jr-moeringer-who-is-prince-harry-celebrity-memoirist-spare-b1050916.html?amp

looks like the ghostwriter has similar parental issues if the press can be believed.
A friend once showed me an autobiography his father commissioned, I now realize it must have been by a ghostwriter.
I was agog by the amount of sheer name and connection dropping to the Royal family/military here and abroad.
Father moved /worked in those circles.

His many own DC were barely mentioned, a few insignificant lines.
Think they were perceived as having not lived up to his standards.
It was eye
opening on many levels and felt very narcissistic in hindsight.
Do many people do commission you for that reason? An inflated sense of self importance ?
A fascinating profession by the way !

I guess I'm lucky in that I can pick and choose projects which means I don't have to take on the ones that feel that way. It's usually the people who aren't quite sure whether they have a story worth telling that have the most incredible ones.

There are definitely people out there who 'embellish' a lot though - I get a quite remarkable number of men who claim they've been in the Foreign Legion and want to meet without me telling anyone. Sadly, I never seem to have a space in my diary for those . . .

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Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:32

DanseAvecLesLoups · 06/01/2023 14:25

Quite a few of the 'minor' celebrities these days come across as utter thick as mince morons who can barely articulate a spoken sentence let alone write one. How hard is it to ghost write their story without losing the will to live?

I haven't had to take on anyone like that, but I'd imagine the will to live would go quite quickly! I think I'd struggle to make much out of someone really young though and so many of them are on Book 2 or 3 when they're still in their 20s.

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CherrySocks · 06/01/2023 14:45

Do you try to match your writing style to the person's personality?

Do you always write in the first person, using "I" so that it reads like an autobiography?

I think what is interesting about reading an autobiography is as much the way the person puts things into words, their way of looking at the world, their use of vocabulary, their sense of humour, etc etc, and I would think most of that is lost if a ghost-writer is used.

Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:49

CherrySocks · 06/01/2023 14:45

Do you try to match your writing style to the person's personality?

Do you always write in the first person, using "I" so that it reads like an autobiography?

I think what is interesting about reading an autobiography is as much the way the person puts things into words, their way of looking at the world, their use of vocabulary, their sense of humour, etc etc, and I would think most of that is lost if a ghost-writer is used.

Yes to first person. I'd hope that I always get the client's voice and that none of it is lost. Many, many books are ghosted (probably more than you realise, fiction too) and the person whose story it is has to sound authentic.

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CherrySocks · 06/01/2023 14:51

How can fiction be ghosted?

CherrySocks · 06/01/2023 14:51

Do you mean celebrities pretend write novels?

CherrySocks · 06/01/2023 14:52

CherrySocks · 06/01/2023 14:51

Do you mean celebrities pretend write novels?

*pretend to write

Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:53

CherrySocks · 06/01/2023 14:51

How can fiction be ghosted?

If it's a celeb, then they'll just need it as part of their brand. The ghost will come up with the majority, usually with a bit of input from the agent. If it's a non-celeb, there might be more of an idea there, but the ghost still does most of it.

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Edithisoverthere · 06/01/2023 14:56

CherrySocks · 06/01/2023 14:52

*pretend to write

Some of them are quite open about it.

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IncompleteSenten · 06/01/2023 15:01

I know you've said you wouldn't want the credit but have you ever written for anyone who's gone on to describe the hours they spent writing their book, their process and all that shit and not just let people think they wrote it but actually described themselves writing it iyswim

NoSquirrels · 06/01/2023 15:03

I think what is interesting about reading an autobiography is as much the way the person puts things into words, their way of looking at the world, their use of vocabulary, their sense of humour, etc etc, and I would think most of that is lost if a ghost-writer is used.

That’s the art & craft of being a professional ghostwriter. Being able to ask the right questions as an interviewer to get the interesting parts of someone’s life, being able to capture their ‘voice’, their way of expressing themselves. It’s why they’re called ‘ghosts’ - you shouldn’t see them in the final work at all.

More autobiographies are ghostwritten than not, I’d say. Even for celebs you’d think are natural writers.

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