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I'm a Midwife AMA

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 10:00

Experienced midwife, hoping to spread good quality info :)
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CurbsideProphet · 15/07/2022 13:11

@MidwifeAMA "This is a different pregnancy and a different baby and so there's a really good chance all will be well" said compassionately actually could be reassuring for a lot of people.
Yes I would have been happy with that. A bit of compassion would have gone a long way. Tone of voice and body language are so important aren't they. I imagine it's difficult to feel you have time to be kind on top of everything when you're so busy, but it does make such a huge difference.

Whoatealltheminieggs · 15/07/2022 13:15

@MidwifeAMA when a woman has a history of precipitous labours, should this be taken into account when administering pitocin for induction? I feel I was over stimulated by pitocin with my second and nobody took into account my history.

GuidingSpirit · 15/07/2022 13:43

My baby (born last year) had GBS sepsis and spent 2 weeks on NICU before being well enough to come home. My waters broke approx 15hrs prior to contractions starting at 37.5w, DD was a tiny 5lbs 12oz, poor feeding at birth and her legs were purple - all big risk factors but the infection wasn't diagnosed until she 23hrs old and nearly too late.

The GBSS charity is supporting a clinical trial which is aiming to assess whether routine screening would reduce the number of babies that develop GBS induced sepsis or meningitis in the UK. I get that GBS is transient but I've been surprised at the number of HCPs which have utterly dismissed whether screening would make a difference (in my case, i couldnt book the private test due to covid isolating and then DD came at 37 and a half weeks straight after my isolation finished). In fact, my midwife never even mentioned GBS to me - it was only after i asked her about it due to another family member having a baby that developed GBS meningitis.

What is the position in your trust and what do you think could be done better to prevent cases like ours? Do women need to be better informed about the dangers of GBS to be able to make informed decisions about their care?

Reallyreallyborednow · 15/07/2022 13:51

What is the position in your trust and what do you think could be done better to prevent cases like ours? Do women need to be better informed about the dangers of GBS to be able to make informed decisions about their care?

not the o/p but 19 years ago my trust were running clinical trials on GBS outcomes and routinely screening. They swabbed me at birth, picked up the infection and dd was monitored accordingly. They also had very strict monitoring and prevention of MRSA protocols.

i think the issue with screening is it has to be done shortly before or around the time of delivery. Otherwise you may be giving ab’s to women who have been +ve but are -ve at birth, with the associated risks of antibiotic resistance. Last thing anyone needs is ab resistant GBS!

mydudero · 15/07/2022 14:06

How much blood loss in childbirth would be considered dangerous / at what point is a transfusion considered?

Fleur405 · 15/07/2022 15:11

MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 10:17

Sorry to hear this.
We get very little training on this.
It's quite tricky because you see a lot of variation in what people want to hear and so there's a lot of really careful negotiation of language which won't always meet the needs of the woman.
We are working on language in maternity now, it's high on the Royal college of midwives agenda. Hopefully this will improve things.

I had a student midwife at my booking in appointment. After being told it was my second pregnancy she said “and was that a baby or a miscarriage”? Fortunately I have never had a miscarriage but I imagine that would be very upsetting for anyone who had lost a baby.

absolutehush · 15/07/2022 15:15

I'm due on Christmas Day! Should I be worried about staffing?!?

MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 15:35

20viona · 15/07/2022 11:15

Likelihood of manual placenta removal being required second time around?

There's a raised chance compared to the general population but in my experience is still quite uncommon. Much more likely that it won't happen.

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 15:37

Louise0701 · 15/07/2022 11:17

@MidwifeAMA thank you. I did briefly speak with my consultant following the birth of DC3 and she said it’s doable with “extra hands on deck”

Absolutely, they will put everything in place to help keep you safe :)

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 15:38

MollieTD · 15/07/2022 11:21

I’m due next week when it’s forecast 38 degrees where I am and I won’t lie, I’m scared.
Will hospitals be completely overwhelmed? How worried should we be about having a newborn in temperatures like that?

Maternity isn't really affected by weather, we run 24/7. My advice would be to get some of that cool face spray, and a mini handheld fan, freeze some bottles of water to take in with you so they stay cool for longer, and try not to worry. Women have babies in hot countries every day.

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 15:39

Dancingwithhyenas · 15/07/2022 11:28

Do you find the support staff on the postnatal wards know what they are doing or have the right temperament? I’ve been shouted at after all my births (for things like calling for help when I felt I was about to pass out!). All the unkindness came from support staff rather than midwives.

This is awful. I think you get bad eggs on every job but I think it's a sign of the culture in the unit if this isn't pulled up and stamped out

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MollieTD · 15/07/2022 16:33

MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 15:38

Maternity isn't really affected by weather, we run 24/7. My advice would be to get some of that cool face spray, and a mini handheld fan, freeze some bottles of water to take in with you so they stay cool for longer, and try not to worry. Women have babies in hot countries every day.

Thank you! All I’ve read up until now is how hot maternity wards are in normal circumstances!
Being induced on Monday now so it’s happening then whether I like it or not - ice water at the ready!

MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 18:58

user237363826 · 15/07/2022 11:37

Just wanted to say thank you for the job you do ❤️

Thanks Flowers

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 19:02

Iwonder08 · 15/07/2022 11:45

I met over 10 midwives during my experience in a big London hospital. Every single one of them displayed the same passive-aggressive and patronising attitudes, I. E.

  1. questioning validity of consultant's decision re elective csection. Happened on every appointment by different midwives
  2. extremely poor 'birth/looking after infant' training. We had a whole day session where every question from the audience about instrumental delivery, emergency c section, epidural was dismissed a-la don't worry your pretty little head, it will probably not happen to you
  3. there was a VERY strong emphasis on natural birth, by which they mean no epidural, with scaremongering about side effects which are simply not consistent with the widely published reports. Again, very patronising 'don't worry let's just see how it goes, maybe you won't need it /want it at all Is there a specific guidance in place that recommends such approach?

This sounds like a unit with a culture problem.
For so many midwives to be presenting in that way is more than a bad egg.
We absolutely don't have a 'normal births at all cost' agenda in our unit. We are the experts in natural physiological birth processes, that's our role, but as part of the big picture of safety, maternal choice, experience.
We are very realistic in our antenatal education with the variety of birth outcomes you may experience, glossing over the complex births helps no one and potentially breeds fear.
I'm sorry you had this experience, it sounds dire.

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concernedguineapig · 15/07/2022 19:03

Do you feel stmw's training has been affected by covid? Are the students you are working with of a good standard?

I will add re the staffing question, for every 30 new midwives that qualify, 29 leave or never start.

Midwifery is tough at the moment, that's for sure.

MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 19:05

Reallyreallyborednow · 15/07/2022 12:02

I met over 10 midwives during my experience in a big London hospital. Every single one of them displayed the same passive-aggressive and patronising attitudes

same.

also the disbelief, especially of first time mums. You’re not in labour, you think you’re in pain now, you’re “just” a first time mum and don’t know what you should be feeling.

i nearly lost my first child because a m/w didn’t believe I was in as much pain as I said I was because I was only 1cm and i wasn’t having the pain in waves I couldn't talk through. Turns out a detaching placenta is fucking painful but they didn't consider that, just assumed I was a ftm making a fuss and were going to wait until the morning. It was a passing pair of junior docs that picked it up.

post natally as well the unwillingness to help with bf and constant offering formula if they saw me feeding. I also got a fairly sound telling off for not bringing my own formula.

i know m/w are understaffed and overworked but why does the mentality seem to be that the patients are there to cause hassle and create work? Is anyone trying to change the ethos? Personally this I why i hated working in the nhs, everything was a pain and people acted like they were so overworked what you were asking was just one step too much.

Absolutely not in our hospital, we are shattered but we are shattered because we want families to have the best care.
This makes sad reading, because kindness and compassionate are really important in our unit, I just can't imagine midwives talking to women like that here.

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 19:06

Reallyreallyborednow · 15/07/2022 12:02

I met over 10 midwives during my experience in a big London hospital. Every single one of them displayed the same passive-aggressive and patronising attitudes

same.

also the disbelief, especially of first time mums. You’re not in labour, you think you’re in pain now, you’re “just” a first time mum and don’t know what you should be feeling.

i nearly lost my first child because a m/w didn’t believe I was in as much pain as I said I was because I was only 1cm and i wasn’t having the pain in waves I couldn't talk through. Turns out a detaching placenta is fucking painful but they didn't consider that, just assumed I was a ftm making a fuss and were going to wait until the morning. It was a passing pair of junior docs that picked it up.

post natally as well the unwillingness to help with bf and constant offering formula if they saw me feeding. I also got a fairly sound telling off for not bringing my own formula.

i know m/w are understaffed and overworked but why does the mentality seem to be that the patients are there to cause hassle and create work? Is anyone trying to change the ethos? Personally this I why i hated working in the nhs, everything was a pain and people acted like they were so overworked what you were asking was just one step too much.

We have BFI accreditation so feeding support is really good quality.
Thinking myself very lucky to work here

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 19:11

TeddyTonks · 15/07/2022 12:27

Oh sorry, another relatively specific one. In all my previous pregnancies I have been consultant led- all my babies have been IVF, I have autoimmune thyroid disease, first was a twin that died in the womb so bled throughout, GBS+ in all pregnancies 🙄. This pregnancy there seems to have been debate regarding whether I am high or low risk and should be consultant led. I turned up to my 32 week scan and consultant appointment to be told it had been cancelled and I was being discharged back to midwifery led care - has criteria changed based on new data/ research showing my conditions don't make me higher risk and therefore I'm no longer eligible for growth scans (fine!)? Or is this a consequence of underfunding/staffing (not fine!)?

I have booked a private growth scan just for some personal reassurance but would be nice to hear if you are seeing this sort of thing and agree/disagree with it?

Ivf thyroid gbs

So in our area we would monitor your thyroid function with blood tests every three months.
If well controlled no need for anything else.
Ivf pregnancies, once pregnant, are now treated as a normal pregnancy.
GBS is relevant for labour but doesn't change care plans in pregnancy,
None of those would indicate a need for additional growth scans here. It would be an initial planning appointment at the beginning of pregnancy to discuss additional blood tests etc then you'd revert back to midwife led care.
If you have any doubts though ask your midwife, she can discuss local guidelines with you.

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 19:12

CurbsideProphet · 15/07/2022 13:11

@MidwifeAMA "This is a different pregnancy and a different baby and so there's a really good chance all will be well" said compassionately actually could be reassuring for a lot of people.
Yes I would have been happy with that. A bit of compassion would have gone a long way. Tone of voice and body language are so important aren't they. I imagine it's difficult to feel you have time to be kind on top of everything when you're so busy, but it does make such a huge difference.

But kindness is the one thing we can offer that is freely available, and so should be non negotiable.
I'm sorry you had a negative experience.

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 19:15

Whoatealltheminieggs · 15/07/2022 13:15

@MidwifeAMA when a woman has a history of precipitous labours, should this be taken into account when administering pitocin for induction? I feel I was over stimulated by pitocin with my second and nobody took into account my history.

Pitocin- are you in the USA? USA very enthusiastic with their interventions, and appalling health outcomes for mums and babies.
In the uk we start the oxytocin (pitocin) at a tiny dose and increase it slowly until we have the right frequency of contractions, and we reduced back down if there's too many. It is sometimes unpredictable how someone will react but as long as they increase gradually and are responsive to the effect it is usually ok.

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007DoubleOSeven · 15/07/2022 19:16

With planned csections, I've heard about mums being able to ask for adjustments to make the experience more of a pleasant and bonding experience. I'm sorry I can't remember what the term is, but things like having their choice of music played, or aromatherapy and then to things like delaying cord cutting, exposing the child to vaginal fluids which benefit baby.

How common are these types of csections and do the obstetrics teams respond positively to these requests?

MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 19:18

GuidingSpirit · 15/07/2022 13:43

My baby (born last year) had GBS sepsis and spent 2 weeks on NICU before being well enough to come home. My waters broke approx 15hrs prior to contractions starting at 37.5w, DD was a tiny 5lbs 12oz, poor feeding at birth and her legs were purple - all big risk factors but the infection wasn't diagnosed until she 23hrs old and nearly too late.

The GBSS charity is supporting a clinical trial which is aiming to assess whether routine screening would reduce the number of babies that develop GBS induced sepsis or meningitis in the UK. I get that GBS is transient but I've been surprised at the number of HCPs which have utterly dismissed whether screening would make a difference (in my case, i couldnt book the private test due to covid isolating and then DD came at 37 and a half weeks straight after my isolation finished). In fact, my midwife never even mentioned GBS to me - it was only after i asked her about it due to another family member having a baby that developed GBS meningitis.

What is the position in your trust and what do you think could be done better to prevent cases like ours? Do women need to be better informed about the dangers of GBS to be able to make informed decisions about their care?

It's a tricky one, it's pretty unreliable to test for but I'd welcome a trial to see if the number of women who would need antibiotics would justify the outcomes. If we are giving decent antenatal and postnatal care we should pick up many of those babies before infection takes hold. Spotting little babies in pregnancy, monitoring them closely afterwards to ensure they are feeding well etc- poor feeding is a red flag to observe for infection here.

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 19:21

mydudero · 15/07/2022 14:06

How much blood loss in childbirth would be considered dangerous / at what point is a transfusion considered?

Above 500mls is considered a post partum haemorrhage but realistically most women tolerate 1000mls comfortably. It's quite dependant on your size, if you weight 50kg then 500mls will be a bigger proportion of your total volume and may make you feel unwell, but if you're 102kg you'll probably barely notice it. Also what your iron levels are like, if you start off low then you'll drop to a problem level
Much easier.

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 19:22

absolutehush · 15/07/2022 15:15

I'm due on Christmas Day! Should I be worried about staffing?!?

We are all here 24/7 365days a year!

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MidwifeAMA · 15/07/2022 19:25

concernedguineapig · 15/07/2022 19:03

Do you feel stmw's training has been affected by covid? Are the students you are working with of a good standard?

I will add re the staffing question, for every 30 new midwives that qualify, 29 leave or never start.

Midwifery is tough at the moment, that's for sure.

They are definitely less experienced and less confident as they missed chunks of their training. We are trying to support them more and make sure their post qualification assessments are robust

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