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I emigrated to Sweden AMA

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FatCatThinCat · 10/09/2021 11:36

For @SquirrelFan and anyone else with an interest in my very boring life. Grin

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Jooox · 12/09/2021 13:07

@Lunde you’ve just described my dream. Sweden is now on my travel list.

lazylinguist · 12/09/2021 13:17

One got stuck up a tree.

Shock
banivani · 12/09/2021 14:02

I live in a town, not far from the city centre but near green areas that are being preserved or are mostly exempt from building. I regularly see hares, deer. Have seen a fox but it was ill and straying too close to humans. There’s birds of course but I’m crap at birds so I don’t know what they are haha. A migrating wolf was spotted in the centre of a town called Uppsala some years ago, at five in the morning. 😁

There’s a definite divide in Sweden when it comes to winter sports. It’s expensive and sort of something you have to have with you culturally. A week skiiing in the North costs as much if not more as two weeks abroad sometimes! My family never did this, did not have that kind of money or cabins that were owned by the family.

I don’t recognise the description of Swedish children being obedient and polite. I do think that generally (broad brush strokes) children are treated with fundamental respect that can make them easier to deal with - they may be loud, boisterous and unable to sit still but they might not lie or be anti-social. They might do as you say because they trust you and/or see your point.

Surewhynot · 12/09/2021 21:06

I have nothing to add but this thread is my favourite! Fascinating stuff and it’s making me want to move to Sweden. Big thank you to the OP and other Swedish residents for giving such details and colourful answers.

banivani · 12/09/2021 21:07

I feel a need to burst everyone's balloons now - it's not that rosy here! Grin

Lunde · 12/09/2021 23:28

@banivani

I live in a town, not far from the city centre but near green areas that are being preserved or are mostly exempt from building. I regularly see hares, deer. Have seen a fox but it was ill and straying too close to humans. There’s birds of course but I’m crap at birds so I don’t know what they are haha. A migrating wolf was spotted in the centre of a town called Uppsala some years ago, at five in the morning. 😁

There’s a definite divide in Sweden when it comes to winter sports. It’s expensive and sort of something you have to have with you culturally. A week skiiing in the North costs as much if not more as two weeks abroad sometimes! My family never did this, did not have that kind of money or cabins that were owned by the family.

I don’t recognise the description of Swedish children being obedient and polite. I do think that generally (broad brush strokes) children are treated with fundamental respect that can make them easier to deal with - they may be loud, boisterous and unable to sit still but they might not lie or be anti-social. They might do as you say because they trust you and/or see your point.

Not sure where you are but only the enthusiasts do the "big slalom" trip to Åre, Sälen or Idrefjäll etc We have never done this although DD2 got a free school trip to the slalom hills at Romme Alpin near Borlänge.

The skiing most people do is Cross Country on local tracks at nearby woods or lakes. People also skate at the very cheap local authority ice rinks or the local lake. You can pick up equipment 2nd hand cheaply. Or you can get a "spark"

banivani · 13/09/2021 09:19

Lunde, yes, that's my experience as well. I grew up in a more working-class area where very few people did the slalom trips (this was before Romme Alpin opened/those day trips were available, and in any case that would in those days have been v expensive for the area I was in). Those that went north either had enthusiastic parents or a cabin in the family, so they could save on lodgings. Now I live in a more middle-class area/hang out with those types, and I very clearly see the class divide. Some people go skiiing every winter, perhaps even two trips, and then abroad at least once a year too (Åre in the winter, Thailand in the summer). You know the type. I have no idea how they afford this. Romme Alpin is great because it's so accessible to all of Mälardalen (where I live), and it shows. It's the only place where you see immigrants/foreigners learning to ski! Very unpretentious.

Cross-country skiing has become a sort of middle class marker too where I live. That's equipment you have to have available ie either own or plan for seasonal rental so you can head out when the weather allows. Winter sports is so expensive largely because equipment has to be updated every year for children. An eternal fucking race to find skates and skiis for what? Maybe two or three good days.

If you live more rurally or with more dependable wintery winters then you might get your money's worth ;)

Skating is the only thing I find easy to do regularly. We're not far from an outdoor skating rink that has ice from something like october/november to march. But it's packed whenever the public can skate, of course.

The most dependable winter "sport" is the pulkabacke ie toboggan hill. Wink Picture included!

I emigrated to Sweden AMA
villainousbroodmare · 13/09/2021 13:44

banivani burst my balloon then! What's less rosy?
I live in a super-friendly place. For example if you're crossing the road with small children, strangers will help you. Or if you're at the beach, the next family over will probably ask your kids to join their picnic. I have heard that Swedish people might be a bit more withdrawn. Is that the case? Do strangers greet each other? If your toddler waves at people, will they wave back?

FatCatThinCat · 13/09/2021 15:14

@villainousbroodmare

banivani burst my balloon then! What's less rosy? I live in a super-friendly place. For example if you're crossing the road with small children, strangers will help you. Or if you're at the beach, the next family over will probably ask your kids to join their picnic. I have heard that Swedish people might be a bit more withdrawn. Is that the case? Do strangers greet each other? If your toddler waves at people, will they wave back?
Some people are miserable feckers, but you get them anywhere. An elderly lady in the newsagents gave DS 10kr (£1) the other day so he could get some sweets. My heart melted a little bit.

But I think friendliness depends on where you live. I thought Sweden was horrible when I first moved here. None of the neighbours spoke to me. I'd say hellow when I passed them in the village and they'd just glare back at me. The only people who spoke to me were other immigrants, one a Norwegian lady who'd put up with it for 30 years. I wanted to move back to the UK as I was so unhappy.

Then we moved to another small town/village about half an hour away and it was like we'd moved to another country. By the end of moving in day everyone in the street had popped over to introduce themselves and say hello. So life here would be pretty miserable if you ended up in a place like where we first lived.

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FatCatThinCat · 13/09/2021 15:20

I would say that the two biggest issues immigrants have in Sweden are finding work if they didn't already have work lined up. And loneliness, some really struggle to connect with Swedes. Neither are a problem for me as I don't work and I'm autistic so spending long winter days stuck indoors by myself with nobody to speak to is my idea of heaven.

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Antonia2021 · 13/09/2021 15:27

Do you watch Bonus Family )

FatCatThinCat · 13/09/2021 15:37

@Antonia2021

Do you watch Bonus Family )
Nope, never heard of it.
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SeriouslyISuppose · 13/09/2021 15:38

@Lunde, I am enthralled by the old schoolhouse you linked. It’s ravishing. (And has been very cleverly staged in an understated way, rather than stuffed full of matchy stuff like a UK show home — only the wine and glasses in the vegetable patch struck me as a bit much. Grin)

Lunde · 13/09/2021 15:42

Finding work can be an issue for many immigrants especially if they do not speak goodish Swedish. Sometimes there is a big misconception that because Swedes (mostly) speak good English that English speaking immigrants don't need to. For some types of work of an international nature it may not matter but for others most Swedish school leavers can speak Swedish, English and can get by in another language as well.

banivani · 14/09/2021 09:00

@villainousbroodmare as the OP says, this varies massively. Stockholm is considered very stand-offish, like any big city, and the people who are local to Stockholm going back generations will say that it's because of all the "new" people with no roots who don't know how to behave. I'd compare it to what I hear people say about London - no-one talks on the tube etc. My family comes from a completely different part of the country and you couldn't take a step there without people chatting to you. In Stockholm you could live 20 years in a building and barely know your neighbours. Where my family comes from the neighbours might come by to say hello on the first day. It's different, just as the OP says.

People will wave at a toddler I'd say. Unless they're miserable gits, in which case fuck 'em. Grin

Nobody will ever EVER ask you to join their picnic. Ever. Unless they're Arabs. Grin Unless you somehow become friendly over the course of the beach day like, but you'd still probably be on your own blankets with your own food. Maybe the kids will be offered some of the biscuits back and forth.

I agree with OP that people will not be super likely to help you with a pram etc. and it's absolutely a facet of that Swedish respect for independence. But in modern life this is tainted by an absolute horror (in bigger towns/cities) to Talk To Someone You Don't Know so instead of cheerily asking "will I give you a hand" and accepting a "no thank you I'm fine" (which is respecting independence) they're just bloody rude and don't lift a finger.

In all honesty I think the Bonus Family is quite an accurate description of Stockholm people and life, if you can adjust for the comedic exagerrations! Grin

If you moved to Sweden as an English-speaker you'd have the advantage of being a more high-status sort of foreigner. English is respected as a foreign language (seen as "useful"). But you'll never get far without Swedish, unless you work in such a special niche that you call all the shots. And Swedes have an unpleasant tendency to assume that people with accents or who make small grammatical mistakes don't speak Swedish well enough, so you could get bypassed right there. It'll be a struggle, but less of a one if you're white British compared to Middle Eastern (racism is real). Swedes also are (broad brushstrokes) suspicious of foreign training and experience, and many a well-trained foreign professional (doctor, nurse, lawyer) has been aghast that they have to completely retrain in Sweden, from scratch. This might have gotten better in recent years, I'm not up to date, but I went to Uni 20 years ago with a Bulgarian woman who was having to do her entire degree over again, with not one bit of help in fast-tracking it or anything.

In many big towns/cities it's difficult to get a council flat (houses are very rare, we're talking flats and at most terraced houses which are to an extent seen as flats here). It is common for them simply to be alloted by length of time in the queue. So when you're young with three kids and only 10 years in the queue you can't get the big, more sought after flats. It's a real problem and the divide between those who rent and those who own is increasingly bigger. I rent, and we've never managed to get a place big enough to house us well in an area we actually want to live in. New builds have ridiculous high rents, are thus less sought after and easier to get, but you'll be bled dry obviously. You might also have a consolidated housing queue in a town, with both council-owned property and private landlords. To be in that queue you pay an administrative fee every year, so you pay for the privilege of waiting forever in case something maybe turns up. (Yes, I'm bitter.) That said, the quality of Swedish housing is from an international perspective generally good. I mean the damp problems etc that I read about on Mumsnet would be rare. Housing is ventilated and heated. Your balcony is your own and you can obviously hang laundry there if you bloody want to (the idea that this could be forbidden would be ridiculous here). Apartment buildings have communal laundry rooms with drying facilities.

I know a few British people who have moved here and bought great houses simply from being able to cash in on the high prices in the UK. Uppsala is a big town near me and a house will be at least 5 million SEK, so selling a house in the English SE will obv give you a nice head start there.

I'll stop there, what a bloody essay! Sorry OP Blush

ImInStealthMode · 15/09/2021 20:06

In answer to the earlier question about Swedish sense of humour DP has just called me into the kitchen to point out 2 slices of lime carefully positioned on a recipe book and asked me to read between the limes

He's so pleased with that one he also FaceTimed his sister and his niece with it GrinGrin

I have to admit I preferred it to the time he called me into the kitchen shouting that there was a leak in the washing machine. It of course was a leek he'd positioned there Confused

languagelover96 · 17/09/2021 14:03

Any tips for learning Swedish

FatCatThinCat · 17/09/2021 14:48

@languagelover96

Any tips for learning Swedish
I found the Mål1 and Mål2 books really helpful. The companion grammar book is in English so you have a fighting chance of understanding.
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Cybercubed · 18/09/2021 20:30

Hi OP

Sorry for coming into this thread late but what are the advantages of living in Sweden compared to Denmark? I've been interested in moving to Scandinavia (I have dual British-Irish citizenship) but cant decide which Scandinavian country I'd like to live in, they're all so good! Grin

I'm told wages are higher in Denmark, the weather is generally better, but the country is flat and not very scenic, there's also issues that Denmark's government is more anti immigrant and seems to have policies toward asylum seekers that would make our current government look like liberals.

Is Danish generally a more difficult language to learn? Would you be able to understand any of it from your knowledge of Swedish?

MajorNeville · 18/09/2021 21:27

No questions but I've been a Sweden a fair few times and love it, some very happy memories. You're very lucky!

Snoken · 19/09/2021 12:58

@Cybercubed

Hi OP

Sorry for coming into this thread late but what are the advantages of living in Sweden compared to Denmark? I've been interested in moving to Scandinavia (I have dual British-Irish citizenship) but cant decide which Scandinavian country I'd like to live in, they're all so good! Grin

I'm told wages are higher in Denmark, the weather is generally better, but the country is flat and not very scenic, there's also issues that Denmark's government is more anti immigrant and seems to have policies toward asylum seekers that would make our current government look like liberals.

Is Danish generally a more difficult language to learn? Would you be able to understand any of it from your knowledge of Swedish?

Sorry, not OP but can give you my opinion anyway.

As a Swede I would always choose Sweden over Denmark for the size of it and the multitude of outdoorsy things you can do in Sweden compared to Denmark + our capital city is bigger and feels more like a city. In Sweden you can ski (cross country and downhill), ice skate on the lakes, swim in the sea or the many, many lakes in the summer, we have the northern lights, the rain deers, ice hotel, mountains, woods, islands etc. Denmark is much more similar to the Netherlands when it comes to the landscape and Sweden and Norway have more of the rugged charm.

If you don't like the snow, Denmark is better though.

Cybercubed · 21/09/2021 18:25

@Snoken

How does life in the north of Sweden compare to south of Sweden for immigrants? Is English as widely spoken in the far north?

Do cities like Östersund, Umeå and Luleå have good public transport links, decent nightlife etc. There obviously very isolated so if I was living in one of those cities I'd want to make sure there was plenty to do.

Snoken · 21/09/2021 21:09

[quote Cybercubed]@Snoken

How does life in the north of Sweden compare to south of Sweden for immigrants? Is English as widely spoken in the far north?

Do cities like Östersund, Umeå and Luleå have good public transport links, decent nightlife etc. There obviously very isolated so if I was living in one of those cities I'd want to make sure there was plenty to do.[/quote]
I would say that generally speaking the further south you go, the more diverse the population.

Out of the three northern cities/towns you mentioned Umeå is probably rhe most fun if you are young-ish as it’s more of a university. Town. The other two also have uni’s but smaller campuses I think. Östersund is quite pretty with a large lake, Umeå is known for all their birch trees. I have never been to Luleå so don’t know a great deal about it. O think you’d have fun in either of them, unless your idea of fun is sipping fancy cocktails at the Savoy. Then you’ll be disappointed. Transportation wise, you’ll be fine. It’s generally really good everywhere in Sweden as they discourage driving. So you will get frequent buses or you will be within cycling distance. Everyone cycles in Sweden because the roads are so safe.

English is spoken all over Sweden but (now I’m heavily stereotyping), the southern two quarters of Sweden tend to have a better educated population who might get to practice their English more. I’m from the north myself and there’s quite a big difference between my friends up there and those I made when I lived in Stockholm.

Lunde · 22/09/2021 14:35

@Cybercubed

Hi OP

Sorry for coming into this thread late but what are the advantages of living in Sweden compared to Denmark? I've been interested in moving to Scandinavia (I have dual British-Irish citizenship) but cant decide which Scandinavian country I'd like to live in, they're all so good! Grin

I'm told wages are higher in Denmark, the weather is generally better, but the country is flat and not very scenic, there's also issues that Denmark's government is more anti immigrant and seems to have policies toward asylum seekers that would make our current government look like liberals.

Is Danish generally a more difficult language to learn? Would you be able to understand any of it from your knowledge of Swedish?

Danish is more difficult to learn compared to Swedish because of the difference between written and spoken language. I saw a news item years ago that stated that Danish children learn to read 6-12 months later than their Scandinavian neighbours because of this issue.

For example if you take the phrase "jeg kan godt lide det" (I like it) - it is actually pronounced "jekagooleeday"

Denmark has always been very anti-immigrant - it is nothing new. I lived there for a year but would not want to bring up children there. Demnark is a fantastic place to go on holiday and people are (superficially) very friendly. But is you move there to live there is a strong anti-immigrant sentiment and a lot of pressure to assimilate into Danish culture and to "do things the Danish way". It is a bit odd but there seems to be little curiosity about other countries. Was once told off at a Danish class for discussing (during the coffee break) our different Christmas traditions .. because ... we had to understand that we were in Denmark know and needed to do things the "Danish way"

  • an American friend got shouted at on the bus by a random stranger for speaking to her toddler in English -- "your in Denmark now"
  • an African friend had qualified as a dentist at University in Paris but was only offered unpaid work experience
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