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I used to be a tabloid reporter AMA

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AprilONeil · 22/08/2020 12:29

Been meaning to offer up a thread on here for a while but tbh have been too nervous, since I know how people round these 'ere parts feel about the tabloids.

Anyway, I used to work as a showbiz reporter on a British tabloid newspaper (would rather not say which one because potentially outing) and have since moved into a more 'worthy' area of journalism.

AMA...

(Dons hard hat)

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Bigfatpicnic · 25/08/2020 20:50

Do you think that reality TV stars have made this kind of journalism easier to find stories to fill column inches? I am thinking TOWIE, RHOC, MIC etc.

When you mentioned a ‘z list celeb’ with a cup of coffee going up and down the street I had a vision of a reality TV person.
Never a day goes by without a TOWIE or ex TOWIE cast member in the gossip news.

OhCaptain · 25/08/2020 21:23

I don’t believe the stuff about Prince William. It would be out more if it was true, I think.

@AprilONeil how do you feel about phone hacking? Is that fair game in your opinion?

Is the new Love Island presenter as insufferable as she seems?!

PlanetSlattern · 25/08/2020 22:20

What do the writers think of the subs?

Gingerkittykat · 26/08/2020 03:01

@Guylan

would also point out that unless you literally read the paper every day and personally saw those stories appearing 5-6 times a week, how you can confidently say it was "daily" as opposed to, say, people posting screenshots/links on social media every day but the stories they're linking to are actually from totally different time periods, ifyswim.

I would look at Daily Mail online almost daily at that time and there were a few DLA benefit cheats story every week during that time. The whole thing was so blatant and tied up with the Welfare Reform changes going on.

I agree, I worked in welfare rights and we could tell what policy changes were due to come up based on Daily Mail/ Express stories.

There was a huge number of stories about motability cars and how some were driving 4*4 etc, in these cases it is because they used the mobility money as part payment but also paid a significant amount themselves. A lot of people in wheelchairs also use big vehicles because they can transfer themselves into the car and then fold the wheelchair and put it in the passenger seat, they also have huge boots which can have hoists for electric wheelchairs or scooters.

Whip the people up in outrage about people getting fancy cars for free then they are happy when this benefit is cut.

It was the same with the benefit cap, cue stories of people with a dozen kids getting huge amounts in benefits then make cuts which hurt a lot of families.

Suewiththeredford · 26/08/2020 03:47

What is Kelly Brook actually for?

Suewiththeredford · 26/08/2020 03:48

Is Moony actually a spud-faced footie player? If so, he’s not gay. Fo sho.

Nikori · 26/08/2020 06:46

I really don’t see how anyone could think the footballer was gay. The coffee-selling former doctor I have no idea about. It’s really sad this is still an issue though and people can’t just be whoever they are.

roundtable · 26/08/2020 06:49

Does the government leak policy ideas to the press?

It feels like they do or is it speculation by news outlets?

Nquartz · 26/08/2020 06:54

@Suewiththeredford

Is Moony actually a spud-faced footie player? If so, he’s not gay. Fo sho.
I think it's the American actor who rose to fame in ER, I've heard the rumour that's he's gay a few times.
CarrotVan · 26/08/2020 11:13

Is there some sort of contractual arrangement between the tabloids and Gemma Collins that states whenever a photo is printed it must be accompanied by text including the phrase "incredible 3 stone weightloss"?

Grrrpredictivetex · 26/08/2020 12:29

@CarrotVan

Is there some sort of contractual arrangement between the tabloids and Gemma Collins that states whenever a photo is printed it must be accompanied by text including the phrase "incredible 3 stone weightloss"?
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AprilONeil · 26/08/2020 16:18

@Buzzing54

Thanks for the thread!

I'm interested in what you said about nepotism and I know Sutton Trust says that journalism is one of the least diverse professions. Is there much awareness of this/appetite for change in the industry? Are illegal unpaid internships/exploitation of low paid staff still a thing? (I've heard rumours!)

Also I know you've said (repeatedly!) that you weren't in the news/politics side, but did you find the majority of journalists were white/male/upper middle class? If so, do you think they have a limited perspective because they're mostly from a certain background or do the good ones have a finger on what's happening? (I'm not talking right or left wing particularly).

Unfortunately journalism isn't very diverse.There are definitely plenty of great female/BIPOC journos out there (yes, even on the Mail) but obviously the media is pretty dominated by posh white men - I don't necessarily think that always means they have a limited perspective (good journos have a nose for what is going on outside their own bubbles) but it can be the case on certain topics.

The tabloids tend to have more working class people (especially on the news side) as they're often proper newshounds who've worked their way up from local papers and may not have gone to uni.

No idea about internships as it's been such a long time since I was doing them but from the outside they seem to be less exploitative than in "my day".

But nepotism is the biggest problem. If you have a known surname you're basically guaranteed a job. It's absurd and it happens across the entire media. Even at the Guardian Rusbridger gave his daughter a job Hmm (he could have at least been subtle and got her a job on a mate's paper).

This is one of my favourite letters I've seen on the topic of posh people in media Grin

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AprilONeil · 26/08/2020 16:20

@AgeLikeWine

Interesting snippets about Mr Cowell. Anyway, on the subject of closeted A listers who employ ‘beards’, any snippets about a certain uber-famous British racing driver?

🤐

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hamstersarse · 26/08/2020 16:47

I hear lots about David Beckham being a shagger - even people who claim that they know someone who has slept with him then to have been slapped with a confidentiality agreement / payoff as soon as they have DTD

Are these persistent rumours based on fact?

AprilONeil · 26/08/2020 20:05

@weepingwillow22

Thanks OP for posting the most interesting AMA I have read.

I was interested in your comments on the differences between online and print journalism. Do you think there is a long term future for tabloid print versions?

Also if we are moving to more online content do you think that it needs more regulation to ensure it matches the standards of print journalism?

In a number of your posts you point out the biasses in the other papers e.g the guardian. One thing I like in the guardian is the seperation of news and comment with the more contraversial opinion pieces being clearly identified. Do you think this approach could be used in the tabloid press or is it all just opinion?

I do think there's a long term future, if only because they have a higher circulation than broadsheets, which suggests a (marginally) slower decline. I think they're entertaining and so people are more likely to pick them up with a sandwich for a train journey or to sit and eat in a cafe. But I think what we may see is the print version available as a PDF (which I prefer to websites).

The qs about online regulation is a good one - I'm not sure how online is regulated really, possibly IPSO and Ofcom. I think it needs to be held to the same standards as print but in order to do that it needs to slow down (ie get sub-editors etc) which is the antithesis of the online model. So it's a tough one.

News and comment is pretty well separated/labelled in all papers. Tabloids don't really run op-ed sections like broadsheets though: usually it'll be a regular (sometimes guest) columnist, which is evident because there's a big picture of them next to their name, and a "leader", which all newspapers have and is the "voice" of the paper (written by a leader writer but never bylined). Broadsheets are more likely to have double or triple page comment sections with leaders and regular columnists alongside a variety of guests, usually who are qualified to comment on the topic in some way (eg Middle East expert/archbishop/retired politician.)

I've attached some screenshots of today's leaders to show you - actually the Guardian's is the least clearly sign-posted (DM's says "DM Comment" and Mirror's says "Voice of the Mirror"). Guardian's is right next to its Opinion page though (on the following page) which helps though.

I used to be a tabloid reporter AMA
I used to be a tabloid reporter AMA
I used to be a tabloid reporter AMA
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AprilONeil · 26/08/2020 20:07

*sit and READ in a cafe, not eat Grin

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AgeLikeWine · 26/08/2020 20:07

@AprilONeil

😂 That’s exactly what I thought you would (not) say!

AprilONeil · 26/08/2020 20:18

@Everysinglebloodytime

Treating Caroline differently to other people who've committed crimes just because she was famous would have set an extremely dangerous precedent. Just put that in the context of the #MeToo movement for a start.

I don't think anyone has suggested for a minute that it shouldn't have been reported, but that she shouldn't have been hounded. I'm not sure if you genuinely are misreading what people are saying or using this as a strategy to deflect from some pretty terrible behaviour.

1) Yes, there was an initial flurry of stories when the (alleged) assault happened, then the arrest, then the charge. Then it went completely quiet while she was in LA over New Years. There were barely any stories about her. And I'd wager it's not because the press didn't have them - lots of British TV stars are papped in LA (Gemma Collins was for heavens sake) - so it looked like there was an effort made to give her some breathing space. But the papers had every right to report on the various elements of the case as they became public (eg her arrest, her charge etc).

Again. It's not the fact that it was reported but the way that it was reported.

2) The media guidelines for reporting suicide state you must never attribute someone's suicide to one cause. People who blame the press for Caroline's - very tragic - death are literally flouting those guidelines.

I'm pretty sure that one has suggested it was the sole cause but a hugely contributing factor, her vulnerability in many ways has also been mentioned but that doesn't distract from the way she was treated by the media. I think I saw one article where her choice of outfit for court was picked apart, pretty sure that this wouldn't have happened to Caroline from Northampton.

What is "hounded"? Hounded is subjective.

Caroline was a popular celebrity hosting the most popular show in the UK who had (allegedly) committed a pretty serious crime, meaning pretty much every single publication was interested in her, from mags to tabloids to broadsheets to websites.

Each outlet then reported on each development (initial assault, arrest, charge, court date etc) - so yes that adds up to a lot of articles. But it's not "hounding".

Hello, Grazia, The Times, The Daily Mail etc are probably not interested in Caroline from Hounslow who lamped her husband because she doesn't front Love Island. So yes, there's less articles on her. Maybe just one each in The Sun and The Mirror as a short kind of "true life" news piece.

But who gets to decide how many - or which - publications are allowed to report on crime? Or whether there should there be a set number of articles each publication are allowed to write about a criminal trial?

What if, next year, it's a Tory MP arrested for lamping his partner over the head and, thanks to the new "Caroline's Law", each publication is only allowed to report on it once each? Does that seem right to you?

What you're suggesting isn't feasible and, if it were, would lead to erosion of freedom of the press.

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AprilONeil · 26/08/2020 20:24

@kerrymucklowe2020

How is is that a certain elderly royal can have a car accident and appear to have no consequences ditto one half of a famous jungle presenter duo .

Also how come the Mcanns were never slated for leaving very young children alone in a hotel room. If it hadve been Tracey from Essex It would've been a whole different story. Plus how the hell did the manage to get a ( legal? Press? representative) and why

Well in fairness Prince Philip had to give up his driving license. And no one was seriously injured.

As for Ant, he was apparently "sentenced to a £86,000 fine, and banned from driving for 20 months" so it's not like he got away scot free either. In terms of his public image, he already had a lot of goodwill behind him from being on TV so much, good PRs, is clearly considered a cash cow by ITV who found a way to rehab his image and, above all, he was just bloody lucky he didn't kill anyone - if he had I suspect his career would have been over. It's the one thing you can't really come back from (look at Michael Barrymore).

The McCanns have had tons of criticism but at the end of the day I think there's also quite a bit of sympathy for them.

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AprilONeil · 26/08/2020 20:31

@Camassia

Great thread OP. Thank you for being so candid.

When you started the thread, was there anything you expected to be asked that hasn't yet been asked?

Similarly, are there any more hints, cryptic clues or rhyming surnames that haven't yet been touched upon that you know we'd love to hear ? (I'm rubbish at rhyming surnames though - I was thinking of a different "ooney" for ages!)

Hmm good question - I can't think of one. Everyone has certainly been much friendlier than I was expecting though, so thank you! Smile

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AprilONeil · 26/08/2020 20:32

@WonderHike

Genuine question, why do you think a newspaper would be more interested in "supporting the government" than itself? Like, what is actually in it for Paul Dacre?

The primary goal of a newspaper is, like any business, to make money.

Tabloids make money by appealing to as many people as possible (so they can then attract advertisers) and that's why, as far as possible, they write stories that will appeal to and reflect the majority of the public.

Ok, but tabloid papers do take political editorial lines nonetheless – the Mirror tends to be left-leaning and tend to support labour, whereas the Sun, the Express, the Mail, etc. tend to be right-leaning and tend to support the conservatives.

Newspapers make relatively little money for the usually very wealthy people who own them – they are not especially lucrative businesses despite being commercial enterprises.

As you mention, the Guardian is a notable exception to the usual model in that it is funded by the Scott Trust.

All outlets take political editorial lines, not just tabloids. The Guardian does too. Even the Huffington Post does. That's why it's wonderful we have plurality of the press.

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Suewiththeredford · 26/08/2020 20:36

I can’t believe I confused Wayne Rooney and George Clooney. Blush

AprilONeil · 26/08/2020 20:43

@weepingwillow22

Newpaper owners will have numerous other commercial interests in addition to the paper(s) they own. It will be in their own personal interests to support a particular political agenda through the paper (usually a rightwing tory agenda as this better suits their own interests).

Most newspaper proprietors are so rich they will never be affected by changes the government makes. And even if they, theoretically would, they can afford armies of financial advisors who could make sure they're still untouched.

Here is an example, contained in the (excellent!) book Bad Blood about Silicon Valley start up Theranos, which famously raised billions in start up cash before it was revealed to be a complete scam (the founder is currently on trial).

The journo who broke the story worked for the Wall Street Journal, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

When the WSJ broke the story that Theranos was basically a scam the entire company got shut down and all the investors lost their money.

Later, the journo who wrote the story found out that Murdoch had recently invested $125 million in Theranos and was also pally with its CEO, who begged him multiple times to shut down WSJ's story.

Murdoch declined to shut down the story and subsequently lost his money when the company collapsed. I've attached screenshots from the book below but feel free to check it out yourself (it's honestly a brilliant read).

Murdoch is so rich he was able to effectively write off $125 million without worry. So no, I don't buy that newspaper proprietors are only out for their own interests. Most of them are probably too busy sunning themselves on yachts to care what their papers print.

I used to be a tabloid reporter AMA
I used to be a tabloid reporter AMA
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AprilONeil · 26/08/2020 20:48

@Iamthewombat

Thanks for a fascinating thread, OP. Sorry that you’ve had to put on the virtual body armour.

I’m curious about what happens to people after they leave national papers. In Private Eye’s ‘Street of Shame’ section I often read about large scale cuts affecting journalists and editorial staff on eg The Independent. If print journalism jobs are reducing in number, not just nationally but regionally, what do people do if they are in their thirties, forties and fifties and have never done anything else? Do they retrain?

Also, are there still people working on national papers whose life revolves around the pub, or are those days long gone?

A lot of them go into PR or copywriting. Some retire. Some can afford to keep doing it because they have other means of income (eg partner earns well). A lot are hanging on by their skin of their teeth and worry about losing their jobs all the time. Some of the posts I see on journo forums are very sad.

As for the pub, i don't think I ever went once the entire time I was there and neither did my colleagues! Maybe just some wine at lunch at a posh restaurant if you could expense it (because you were talking to a source) :)

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weepingwillow22 · 26/08/2020 21:21

I think no matter how rich someone is they will always act to protect their own interests. Indeed this is how most billionnaires got that way in the first place.
www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/five-reasons-why-we-don-t-have-free-and-independent-press-in-uk-and-what-we-can-do-about/
For example Harold Evans, a former editor at the Sunday Times, made it very clear to the Leveson Inquiry how Rupert Murdoch interfered with thecontent of the paper. Evans was often rebuked for “not doing what he [Murdoch] wants in political terms,” including when reporting on the economy. Evans recounted how they almost came to “fisticuffs” because he allowed an economist (James Tobin) to publish an article with differing viewpoints to Murdoch in the Sunday Times. According to Evans, Murdoch’s “determination to impose his will” destroyed the “editorial guarantees that he'd given.”

Evans went on to say:

“Mr Murdoch was continually sending for my staff without telling me and telling them what the paper should be. He sent for the elderly and academic Mr Hickey, who went in tremulously, to be told by Mr Murdoch, "Your leaders are too long, too complex. You should be attacking the Russians more."”

David Yelland, a former editor of The Sun – another Murdoch owned paper – admitted inan interview:

"All Murdoch editors, what they do is this: they go on a journey where they end up agreeing with everything Rupert says but you don't admit to yourself that you're being influenced. Most Murdoch editors wake up in the morning, switch on the radio, hear that something has happened and think: what would Rupert think about this? It's like a mantra inside your head, it's like a prism. You look at the world through Rupert's eyes."

During the Leveson inquiry, when asked about this, Murdoch was also reminded hehad previously said, “If you want to judge my thinking, look at the Sun." Murdoch admitted that frequent phone calls happened between the editors and him, although as Yelland shows, the influence of Murdoch could also be more subtle, with editors internalising his values and opinions.

Even The Guardian is compromised, although not as much as other national media companies. TheScott Trust Limited, which owns The Guardian, is wholly owned by the company directors who are prohibited from takingany dividends. The Guardian also claims to be guided by a range ofprogressive values, including the task of maintaining its editorial independence. However, as Nafeez Ahmed points out inInsurge Intelligence, some membersof its boardare ex-financiers – binding the Guardian into Britain’s murky financial world in a way which may surprise many of its readers.

With six billionaires as majority voting shareholders for most of the UK national newspapers, it is unsurprising that they mostly supported the Conservatives in the last general election. The Conservatives reduced the top tax rate, and want to reduce it further, giving millionaires and billionaires massive tax breaks. Under the current media ownership structure, how much hope is there of genuine progressive agendas to reduce wealth, income and power inequality that also threatens the interests of the billionaires and companies that own the press?

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