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I'm an airline pilot and mother. AMA

62 replies

Down3Greens · 06/08/2018 12:47

Since previous threads seem to be by either male pilots or their wives, here's a chance to ask about the female perspective on things. I'm a long-time MN poster (name changed for this) who is mother to 2 children and periodically put on my work hat to fly a Boeing 777 to somewhere far away. It's a massive juggling act but I can't imagine it being any other way. I would almost certainly be sacked from any job that doesn't involve me being kept well away from other people most of the time! GrinGrin

People do seem to be fascinated by the idea of women in a cockpit, much more so than men. So go ahead and ask me anything.

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airtrafficjam · 07/08/2018 10:53

Husbands a pilot I'm in air traffic. I feel your pain when it comes to juggling child care!
I hear plenty of female voices on the airwaves so it's definitely not as unusual as many think too 👍

NameChangedAgain18 · 07/08/2018 11:02

Err, I just close my eyes and sleep. It's a skill!

You are very lucky! I would kill to be able to do this.

Sarahlou63 · 07/08/2018 11:36

Something I've always wondered. Who locks/how is the plane locked up when the last flight of the day is completed?!

Down3Greens · 07/08/2018 11:44

The planes aren't locked, but I think they would be fairly hard to steal! The airport security means that every possible access to the aircraft is guarded 24/7. They are usually flying, but the times they are on the ground they are either having passengers getting on or off, or have engineers working on them. They are worked on every day at least once by engineers. It is very rare for an aircraft to have no one on it, but there are tamperproof ways of making sure that it is in exactly the same state it was left in when the first person comes to get on it in the morning.

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Clionba · 07/08/2018 12:35

Thanks for this, it's brilliant! I can't tell you how depressed I was by "pilot's wife".
I had to laugh at that religious misogynist and would have loved to have seen his face!
Would you consider going round schools and perhaps planting the seed for girls to become pilots?

annastasiabeaverhausen · 07/08/2018 12:52

What's your chair like? Is it comfortable to sit on for such a long time?

Down3Greens · 07/08/2018 13:27

My chair is not bad but some of them have gone a bit flat and could do with a bit more padding. I’ve sat in comfier chairs though. They are covered in thick sheepskin as it is supposed to be good at keeping you warm when cold and cool when warm. Unfortunately they get sweated into by numerous occupants, and we eat in our seats on flights, so they often contain crumbs in the wool. Our chairs could be better.

I’ve been into my kids’ classes several times, and one time I went round each class in the whole school. I’ve been back to my old school (a fabulous feeling - they hadn’t expected so much of me when I was at school!) and I am going to a posh girls school next year to give them a bit of inspiration. A friend works at the school and asked for me to do it. My airline does send a lot of pilots, particularly female pilots, into schools, but it’s done in your free time and my kids (and my sport) keep me very busy.

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sausagebap · 07/08/2018 13:31

Do you have a theory on MH370?

Clionba · 07/08/2018 13:43

Thanks for giving up your free time to do that. Who knows how many girls you've inspired?
More prosaic - do you get sick of airline food?!?

RatRolyPoly · 07/08/2018 13:58

At what point in education did you decide to become a pilot at what was the education and career pathway you took to get there?

jarviscockerslover · 07/08/2018 14:29

What meal do you get served?! Assuming a business class one at least?

AppleKatie · 07/08/2018 15:22

This is really interesting thanks OP!

How much time do you generally get away? And what do you do with it?

strawberrry · 07/08/2018 15:26

What a fab thread OP. I'm always pleased when the pilot is female, think it's nice to see a woman do so well for herself in such a male dominated job!

GoodHeavensNoImAChicken · 07/08/2018 15:38

Thank you for this thread OP, it’s been really interesting and I’m so pleased you can juggle it with parenthood as I’ve often wondered about this.

I’m a very anxious flyer especially during take off and landing - it doesn’t stop me from flying but it scares me. How often is there a problem/something unexpected during take off or landing?

ourkidmolly · 07/08/2018 15:40

What happens to your pay when you don't fly when pregnant? Do you have an extended maternity leave or just have to take unpaid?
What proportion of pilots are ex RAF? Are you?

slovenlys · 07/08/2018 15:45

I would have loved to be a pilot. Would you say mid-30s is too late to consider it ?

(Looking for a career change and it's always been my dream)

RatRolyPoly · 07/08/2018 17:45

Oh, I have another question! OP, between being a pilot and being a parent do you have time for any hobbies? What does your social life look like?

My favourite AMA so far!

Pluckedpencil · 07/08/2018 18:02

Just wanted to say how interesting this is, and what an inspiration you are, I'm sure lots of other women would agree. I ever even considered becoming a pilot, and I think that says it all about where we still are in careers for women. We need to get more girls to dream of this!

Tentomidnight · 07/08/2018 18:13

If my DD wants to be a pilot, what A levels deos she need? Would she need a first degree? If so, in what?
What can she do to give herself a competitive edge to gain airline sponsorship? (Air Cadets? PPL at 17? Air Scouts?)
Ifnot airline sponsorship scheme, what is the route to gaining a commercial airline pilot qualification? And how do people fund this?

Down3Greens · 07/08/2018 18:28

MH370? I think they had a catastrophic event that rendered the pilots unconscious or dead, and the aircraft continued to fly on until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the ocean. A sudden and severe fire or a rapid decompression could both knock the pilots out but allow the aircraft to carry on flying on autopilot.

What do I eat? First Class food, mostly. Meals are put on for the pilots, but usually sufficient food is put on to ensure all the First Class passengers get their choice of food, so extra meals need to be put on in case they all want the same thing. The First meals are usually a bit more appetising than most of the pilot meals, but a lot of the pilot meals are curry - they are the best ones as, putting it politely, most of our catering staff in Hounslow are very experienced Indian catering staff. I'm not such a curry fan as I go to India enough that I eat Indian food there. I tend to go for the fish option. Not enough fish is eaten in our house - DH and kids make retching noises if I get fish in, so I eat it at work instead. I have to try and stay off the puddings, as they are usually very tasty and sitting down for hours on end while eating chocolate fudge pudding or cheesecake does my figure no good at all! I like food, and the temptation to snack on sugary passenger food at 3am is very strong. Going for a beer and spicy chicken wings at 3am when we land in the US is not great for sleep or digestion either!

I've not had anything really scary on take off or landing. I've hit numerous birds during these phases of flight though, and it does become more challenging if the weather is bad. I've flown in blizzards, tail ends of hurricanes, fog, gales, and been hit by lightning several times. Bizarrely, the most recent time I was struck by lightning, the lightning wasn't actually the main issue at the time. Various parts of the automatics had stopped working due to a particular kind of ice crystal forming in the clouds around us and causing malfunctions. Other weather that is a bit strange is St Elmo's Fire (it's a real thing, not just an 80s movie!) Its like a plasma ball across the windscreen. We tend to get that in clouds in the tropics.

When you get pregnant, you can't fly in 1st and 3rd trimester. In reality most pregnant pilots are grounded instantly. We are paid an average of our last few months basic salary and allowances. My employer is not brilliant with maternity pay though, we are paid SMP and that's it. Not ideal, but I had planned pregnancies and saved up beforehand. Plus DH paid the household bills.

There are quite a few ex-mil pilots about, from across all the forces. I fly with a former Red Arrows instructor, an ex-Harrier Jump Jet display pilot, with lots of former fast jet, transporter and helicopter pilots from the military. I've been lucky enough to fly with a lot of very interesting people, including people who have experienced all manner of difficulties in their working life that they wouldn't have expected - colleagues have been human shields, disaster-averting heroes, first/best/most famous this, that and the other. Pilots always stand out on game shows and reality TV (I keep my head down with this sort of thing, although I would love a crack at Bear Grylls' The Island. I'd have them sorted out! Grin)

I do have hobbies. I ride horses, ski and take part in various endurance events. I take part in one particular kind of niche sport which involves endurance riding and navigation challenges. I compete levels up to the national championships at that, only just being able to do it properly recently though as the kids didn't like it if I was away all week at work and then went off up a mountain in Wales on my own for the weekend. They are less fussed now they are older, my older DC has just started competing with me in team events. I'm not what you would call a social bird so I rarely go out on an evening when I'm at home. When I do, I make it count though! GinGinGrin

The route I took to get here was through a sponsored pilot scheme. My training was paid for by an airline and I paid part of it back by way of a lower salary for the first few years. This way of doing things is not common now, most people pay for their own training and it is expensive. I reckon this puts a lot of women off as they are a bit more cautious with money/future plans/career, but if you get the backing of an airline early on at flying school you will be on a decent salary before long. For anyone interested, this is a fairly typical way into the industry these days - Cadet Pilot Programme.

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Down3Greens · 07/08/2018 18:42

@Tentomidnight Air Cadets would be a good start. A degree is not necessary, but decent A levels are. However, once you have got the minimum stipulated on the entry requirements, they don't care how much you exceeded the requirements by. Personality traits, ability to think laterally, to hold large amounts of information, to have proven yourself as an effective team leader and team member are all seen as being more important. Doing well at a hobby that involves being on a team and considerable personal commitment are viewed as being essential. Make sure she can pass a Class 1 Aviation Medical before setting off down any flying career path - more than one person has spent a lot of money and then discovered their career is over before it began when they can't get a medical. If not through sponsorship, there are several big flying schools that run an Ab Initio (i.e. from just beginning all the way through airline pilot) courses. They have tie-ins with airlines - BA, Easyjet, and a variety of other companies are fed details of what are called 'white tails' who are making the grade with a view to recruiting them straight out of flying school. The competition for this is stiff though - it's not enough to just pass, candidates need to pass well above the pass mark and pass everything first time. You are allowed to resit, but that will effectively take you off every major airline's list for initial recruitment. Loans are available, but the best people to speak to about that are the schools themselves, I am too far removed from that end of things now and it's changed since I went. As for A Levels - Maths is always useful but not necessary if she is likely to higher grades at some other subject. A scientific mind and an ability to juggle a lot of information in high pressure situations is helpful, so dance A Level probably won't get you in! The British Women's Pilots Association would be more than happy to offer careers advice, as would BALPA.

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Tentomidnight · 07/08/2018 19:03

That’s really, really helpful infirmation, thanks for taking the time to reply Smile Flowers

greencatbluecat · 07/08/2018 19:19

This is fascinating OP. Thank you for doing this. (My DD is also interested in becoming a pilot.)

delphguelph · 07/08/2018 19:24

Do you eat the airline food?

Which famous people have been on your flights?

littlepooch · 07/08/2018 19:56

This is fascinating- thank you. Your responses are so measured and detailed. My favourite AMA so far.

Are there any routes your heart sinks when you hear you have to do that? Any favourites? How much control do you get over where you get to fly to - is it like a bidding thing or do you get what you are given?

Also - how do cabin crew react to a female pilot - do they treat you and interact with you as they would a male colleague? X

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