Here's a share token for the article about RMW mentioned earlier:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c8837b85-8970-4ee6-8385-62ac20671408?shareToken=5e237791178654a7bff839b55d3aa9400_

Grew his hair and wore nail varnish it says, and Lo! He was a she and walked on the wild side; only with the same voice 'cos £££.

GG was one of the first women taken down in this fight. There was no support for her outside the feminist blogs and forums that were talking about this stuff too. She was just hung out to dry. Always makes me sad to think about that.

She's another 'gives no fucks' goddess and from years back, too, way before I had any awareness of what was going on.

I liked her 'try being an old woman!' retort to 'you're being hurtful towards them' or some such remark.

Thanks so much for digging out this clip- I couldn’t remember where GG said this.

I ❤️ her. What a delightfully sweary embodiment of defiance she is. So real and charismatic.

The thing TRAs always get wrong when they equate keeping male people out of female spaces with segregation based on racism or sexism, is that black people didn't want white institutions and society opened up to them because they wanted to be white, and women didn't want male institutions and society opened up to women because they wanted to be male. Nor was it because they particularly wanted the company of white, or male people, either.

They wanted to be there because that's where the power was. Because that's where decisions that affected their lives were being made, without them.

That's why these analogies, even if you believe some level of TWAW, don't stack up. Because womanhood, and women's spaces, are not a seat of power. In excluding male people from female spaces male people are disadvantaged nothing other than loss of access to female people.

Yet again, it comes down to trans ideologists' misunderstanding of womanhood as being simply what they see on the surface.

To a genderist, if it looks the same, then it is the same. If it's not fair to have white-only spaces, or male-only institutions, then it's not fair for spaces or institutions or opportunities to be female only either.

The context behind these provisions , the journey to get there both in terms of our society's evolving place for women and the journey of female people from birth to womanhood within that society, is unseen and therefore not factored in at all.

Such brilliant unashamed honesty from Julie

’I hope this ends Nicola Sturgeon’s career’

me too

Julie's 'I don't care' had echoes of Germaine Greer's from this interview with Kirsty Wark 7 years ago (at the end, 6 mins ish)

How GG didn't swear more I have no idea, I found Kirsty's approach way over the top.

Yep. Classics.

I'm putting Julie's 'I don't care' with Kemi's 'No'. Love 'em both for those.

Very good from Bindel. I especially liked this bit, because it's exactly how I feel on the topic of men's feelings being hurt when they're not allowed in women's spaces:

I don't care

I've just caught up with a chunk of this thread post Robin's flounce that I'd missed. I just want to say I love you all you mad witches.

Have cauldron, will travel (via broomstick obvs). So glad DH has final relented re cat ownership and I will be in full witch mode again later this year.

MAYA A WONDERFUL WOMAN CALLED MAYA

At some point I lost the a at the end of Maya.

sorry, inoffensive.

I suppose it must be the idea that a test, any test, even one as seemingly offensive as 'is the individual a multiple rapist whose womanhood was only declared after being caught for said rapes?', of an individual's trans credentials is unacceptable, that it's too much like erecting spurious/demeaning barriers in front of transitioning. it can't be anything else, right, extraordinary as it might seem?

And:

NO MEN AT ALL IN ANY SINGLE SEX FEMALE ONLY SPACE.

Blistering and forthright -excellent.

I don't care either.

You can hear it in these women's voices they have all had enough!

It was a good clear conversation. To paraphrase it

NO MEN AT ALL IN THE FEMALE PRISON ESTATE

Watch Howard from the Halifax singing, 'what happened'

I know someone would come to the rescue!

Powerful post

We might want to give that question some more thought.

It is a conundrum isn’t it. The trans activists have been given every opportunity to agree to build in some safeguards especially around the sex offenders to limit their access to spaces etc .

We are constantly told that trans people are definitely not ever going to be sex offenders and pose no danger to women so some rules around that wouldn’t affect them would it?

It is also interesting that rape is arguably the most ‘male’ act possible. So if these people who identify and ‘live as’ as woman commit rape surely that is a clear indication that they are not living as a woman?

EndlessTea

RMW used the ‘slippery slope’ argument, that if you start by segregating vulnerable male prisoners in their own wing, away from the general male estate, for their own safety, then it leads to something like apartheid.

And it's completely specious; decades ago, sex offenders and informers went on Rule 43 and we're segregated.

Now, there are entire prisons for them and it's not any sort of slope, slippery or otherwise.

We are to believe that the Scottish Prison Service can keep women prisoners safe when housed with trans women (with penises), yet can’t do the same for penis-owning trans women in the male estate.

This is such an excellent point