GG has a much higher profile and ‘national treasure’ status

She did, @EndlessTea. Past tense.

I don't say that JB had it easier - they are really in different spheres - but GG was unpersoned and JB was not. I know JB's story is that she was banging this drum for years and no one supported her but it looks to me more like she was quite happy to play the media game and only really got her head round the trans stuff when other major players did. She certainly wasn't speaking the plain truth on it like Germaine was.

Having said that, I'm glad she spoke so firmly on this issue and I agree that "I don't care" is absolutely the right stance to take.

My father exercised coercive control of my mother via silence.

It’s a very male technique, imo.

but I have always tried to borrow what you might call more female techniques such as controlling by silence, waiting for people to finish.

Ah yes, this well-known biological female feature. In fact, when assigning babies as male or female, don't midwives check to see which kind of speech patterns the babies use?

Sex and gender, it's so confusing which is which! Particularly if you have what you might call a female brain!

Excellent analysis.

Happy birthday to Germaine Greer. What a woman.

This was meant to be a quote reply to Beastly!
Anyway. Happy birthday Germaine!🥂

Have you seen her in 'The Orville'? Was such a wonderful surprise to realise it was her.

I doubt she'll read this, if it's her birthday I hope she's getting spoiled and/or getting pissed, but

Happy Birthday Germaine

JB is an activist and was seriously targeted about a decade earlier than GG iirc. GG has a much higher profile and ‘national treasure’ status, and isn’t that keen schlepping about doing speaking gigs anyway from what I hear. She’s an author first and foremost and at retirement age, so she has less need to be on the platform or in the media, but maybe could have made some more documentaries which she was turned down for, I don’t know if that’s the case.

JB had to keep getting out there for her activism. I agree with you that she has been compromised - I even have a recollection of her saying that Ros Kaveney is “lovely” even though RK plotted her demise with Sarah Brown. But I don’t think she had it easier than GG. She also was really frustrated that no one, for years, came out and publicly supported her - she was quite isolated in that regard.

Having said that I bluddy love GG and take it personally if she is criticised (I even got kicked out of an online group, and was gutted about that, for sticking up for her).

Thank you. I will need those next time I am talked over. They won't last long. 😘

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That is quite something. Who knew 😵‍💫

Happy birthday GG!

It’s Germaine’s birthday today…that’s why I thought the ‘I don’t care’ was very apt and I knew JB was going to say it. Happy BD to GG! And I’ll raise a glass tonight to all the wonderful women fighting this.

As did i

But JB didn't get taken down. GG did. JB told Paris Lees that men could be lesbians and I guess she managed to manipulate/finagle her way through - maybe had better support in real life. GG just spoke the truth and she was un-personed and has barely been heard from since.

The true trans test. So you can't be a convicted rapist. But doesnt having a penis mean you have the potential to rape which a woman cannot? It's almost like having a penis is a big stumbling block to the whole woman thing.

Anyway, gender woo is so like a religion and one could pontificate all day every day to make sense of it's dogma, bit like theologians.

And real life laws should not be based on a niche ideology.

Yes JB and GG.

Here is part of a section of Sarah Brown’s contribution to Trans Britain where SB talks about targeting JB and the other photo is where Fox Fisher talks about targeting GG.

I've never seen this before. It's a brilliant interview. God all these woman giving no fucks, not that GG ever has.

These are what strong successful intelligent women, who know their subject LOOK like Robin.

We haven't judged any of their interviews lacking. All to the point. No obfuscation of details, no eliciting of sympathies, no pussyfooting around. This is what i know this is what i think about that.

MEN ARE NOT WOMEN. MEN SHOULD NOT BE IN SINGLE SEX FEMALE SPACES. NOT ONE SINGLE MAN.

“I think there are some differences between male and female advocates but I have always tried to borrow what you might call more female techniques such as controlling by silence, waiting for people to finish.”

Well that is certainly an imaginative spin on women ‘not being able to get a word in edgewise’.

The thing TRAs always get wrong when they equate keeping male people out of female spaces with segregation based on racism or sexism, is that black people didn't want white institutions and society opened up to them because they wanted to be white, and women didn't want male institutions and society opened up to women because they wanted to be male. Nor was it because they particularly wanted the company of white, or male people, either.

They wanted to be there because that's where the power was. Because that's where decisions that affected their lives were being made, without them.

That's why these analogies, even if you believe some level of TWAW, don't stack up. Because womanhood, and women's spaces, are not a seat of power. In excluding male people from female spaces male people are disadvantaged nothing other than loss of access to female people.

@FlirtsWithRhinos

Thank you for articulating this so clearly. I have tried and failed to in RL conversations!

She’ll be fully vindicated in the end

I just hope it happens in her lifetime