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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sarah Phillimore and Robin Moira White interviewed by Andrew Doyle

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DerekFaker · 22/01/2023 22:40

About the Scottish gender recognition bill

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Boiledbeetle · 24/01/2023 18:13

Such a small cock

DialSquare · 24/01/2023 18:12

So vulnerable and marginalised.

Boiledbeetle · 24/01/2023 18:12

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 24/01/2023 17:48

In the interests of balance, a picture of rapist “Isla” without the wig:

twitter.com/darcey_mason/status/1617907179822153731

Wow

I've got hey sexy lady going around in my brain now

Sarah Phillimore and Robin Moira White interviewed by Andrew Doyle
ANewCreation · 24/01/2023 18:06

I trust it will be noted that I don’t engage in personal attacks.

I was just coming on to add 'Hmm, also like when you called Helen Joyce 'a numpty', yes?' but a fresh demonstration has made it somewhat redundant

mobile.twitter.com/moira_robin/status/1613110046703095808

Sarah Phillimore and Robin Moira White interviewed by Andrew Doyle
Boiledbeetle · 24/01/2023 18:05

NO DEBATE

Boiledbeetle · 24/01/2023 18:04

WOMAN ADULT HUMAN FEMALE

Boiledbeetle · 24/01/2023 18:03

I give you Robin Moira White in Robin's own words:

"I trust it will be noted that I don’t engage in personal attacks"

Then a few posts later

"But I’m sure you will just keep stirring your cauldrons"

readers can make their own minds up.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 24/01/2023 17:57

RobinMoiraWhite · 24/01/2023 17:49

It’s a paradox for me. Through my working life I have tried to treat everyone properly, equally and fairly, no matter what their protected characteristic.

But the worst of you here treat trans people just as you would complain about men treating women historically.

A little bit of self-reflection and self-awareness goes a long way.

But I’m sure you will just keep stirring your cauldrons.

’Bye for now.

And there it is....woman hater exposed.

CriticalCondition · 24/01/2023 17:57

Well, what a very enlightening sign-off by the lovely Robin.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/01/2023 17:55

Robin “High Road” White, ladies and gentlemen! Xie’ll be here all week not personally attacking anyone, tell your friends.

Grin
DialSquare · 24/01/2023 17:55

RobinMoiraWhite · 24/01/2023 17:49

It’s a paradox for me. Through my working life I have tried to treat everyone properly, equally and fairly, no matter what their protected characteristic.

But the worst of you here treat trans people just as you would complain about men treating women historically.

A little bit of self-reflection and self-awareness goes a long way.

But I’m sure you will just keep stirring your cauldrons.

’Bye for now.

What we want is very very simple. We want males to stay out of female single sex spaces. Most males respect that but the ones that don't get treated with the disdain they deserve.

So off you trot.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 24/01/2023 17:55

DarkDayforMN · 24/01/2023 17:53

But I’m sure you will just keep stirring your cauldrons.

’Bye for now.

Robin “High Road” White, ladies and gentlemen! Xie’ll be here all week not personally attacking anyone, tell your friends.

😂😂

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 24/01/2023 17:54

RobinMoiraWhite · 24/01/2023 17:49

It’s a paradox for me. Through my working life I have tried to treat everyone properly, equally and fairly, no matter what their protected characteristic.

But the worst of you here treat trans people just as you would complain about men treating women historically.

A little bit of self-reflection and self-awareness goes a long way.

But I’m sure you will just keep stirring your cauldrons.

’Bye for now.

Did RMW just implicitly call us witches? One of the classic misogynistic insults traditionally used by biologically male people against biologically female people? Tied up as it is with the whole history of male people persecuting female people, especially female people who share their knowledge or challenge male authority in any way?

Well I never. Knock me down with a feather.

DarkDayforMN · 24/01/2023 17:53

But I’m sure you will just keep stirring your cauldrons.

’Bye for now.

Robin “High Road” White, ladies and gentlemen! Xie’ll be here all week not personally attacking anyone, tell your friends.

RobinMoiraWhite · 24/01/2023 17:49

It’s a paradox for me. Through my working life I have tried to treat everyone properly, equally and fairly, no matter what their protected characteristic.

But the worst of you here treat trans people just as you would complain about men treating women historically.

A little bit of self-reflection and self-awareness goes a long way.

But I’m sure you will just keep stirring your cauldrons.

’Bye for now.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 24/01/2023 17:48

Boiledbeetle · 24/01/2023 16:51

Yes, I wonder what possible ‘risk assessment’ could look at a man that has just been convicted of two counts of rape and decide he is safe to be put in a womens prison.

Now come on Look at him, I mean her.

Here is a man who claims to be a woman and is obviously so hating of his male body he can't bear to be male any longer. Of course he should go into the female prison estate. Of course he's not doing this to take advantage of bad law and relishing the further chance to sexually abuse and intimidate women. That never happens.

Oh no hang on what's I see.

Yeah really a man that hates manhood and just has to be a woman.

All the women I know always have this problem, that's why they only wear leggings with longer tops. Nothing to do with hiding expanding waistlines. It's because we prefer to hide the outline of our penises.

And the activists wonder why women have had enough.

Being a woman is not something you get to choose, or put on like an outfit. You only get to be a woman if you are born female and managed to survive childhood.

And because Isla above has just as much right as a man with genuine gender dsyphoria to claim womanhood I'm afraid I can longer support any man who decides to force me to pretend in his delusion he is a woman.

A man can never be a woman. And no amount of laws forcing me to capitulate to the lie that a man can be a woman will ever ever change what I know to be fact.

no debate.

In the interests of balance, a picture of rapist “Isla” without the wig:

twitter.com/darcey_mason/status/1617907179822153731

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 24/01/2023 17:47

Wellies54 · 24/01/2023 17:42

And the burglar's just decided that it's actually his house and it was all along. He'd quite like us to stay in the house to serve him but if we object, we're hateful and don't deserve to live in a house and can go and camp out in the garden.

It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so true

RobinMoiraWhite · 24/01/2023 17:43

You would, of course, wish to make plain what the result of those complaints were?

Wellies54 · 24/01/2023 17:42

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 24/01/2023 17:28

And if we lock our doors and windows against potential burglars, we're told we are being bigoted and defaming all men.

We’re bigoted just for noticing that we’ve been burgled. Bloody women and their mad delusional expectations of wanting not to be burgled in the first place.

And the burglar's just decided that it's actually his house and it was all along. He'd quite like us to stay in the house to serve him but if we object, we're hateful and don't deserve to live in a house and can go and camp out in the garden.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 24/01/2023 17:28

And if we lock our doors and windows against potential burglars, we're told we are being bigoted and defaming all men.

We’re bigoted just for noticing that we’ve been burgled. Bloody women and their mad delusional expectations of wanting not to be burgled in the first place.

Boiledbeetle · 24/01/2023 17:27

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RichardBarrister · 24/01/2023 17:24

You say something like "Akua postulated a scenario where a predatory male presents as female to access a female space. Ok but we have 350 million people living under Self ID rules and I'm not aware of cases like that..."

I’m sure a good lawyer would spot the obvious logic fail above. Isn’t the saying ‘absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence’?

We know that some (probably all) of these countries are not gathering that data. Maybe some started gathering it and realised how bad it was and hurriedly made it go away.

Male crimes such as the example given above are recorded as committed by a female so it disappears’ into general female statistics. The only clues are have are those where the ‘female’ sexual offending rate has suddenly increased significantly like it has in Norway.

We have countless specific examples in this country and others but they are all dismissed as anecdote because there are no national statistics on it.

Can anyone think why a country would make as fundamental a change to law and society as to change the category of sex from biological to ‘legal’ and effectively remove all single sex spaces but not track any data as to the impact on that society?

What are they trying to hide??

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 24/01/2023 17:16

For some reason, women are still being expected to make tea and biscuits and the burglars get quite stroppy when we don't.

Odd, isn’t it. Almost like there’s one class of humans that’s fundamentally less important than the other class of humans; one class that’s effectively only seen as service humans, not full humans in our own right like the other class.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 24/01/2023 17:14

All the women I know always have this problem, that's why they only wear leggings with longer tops. Nothing to do with hiding expanding waistlines. It's because we prefer to hide the outline of our penises.

😂😂

thank you beetle for making me laugh even though this isn’t remotely funny

terryleather · 24/01/2023 17:10

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 24/01/2023 16:12

That has not gone unnoticed in other comments I have received. If you want a discussion, it needs to be respectful or I won’t be there.

But it an be argued (and I would indeed argue) that none of what you’re doing, what anyone involved in GRA reform etc is doing, is respectful to women.

You disrespect us by the very act of - as a biologically male person - appropriating the material reality of biologically female people and claiming it as an identity for you to use as you please. In the context of age old male oppression of female people, where males have traditionally extracted whatever resources they want from female people without concerning themselves with the issue of consent, this is just another assault on our human rights. As always, we are objects to be used by male people; not subjects with full agency.

When you make use of facilities designated for female people, and campaign for ever wider access to those facilities for more and more male people - which is the net result of GRR in tandem with self ID in general - you are again disrespecting us.

Biologically male people who respect biologically female people, and acknowledge the ways female people have been systematically hurt and disadvantaged by male rule across the generations, respect our boundaries.

I for one see no reason at all why I should respect biologically male people who don’t respect me, or biologically female people in general.

This. All the live long day.