And I think any female attention is better than no female attention for plenty of men

I do suspect that being made to feel bad is actually part of the reason some of our male visitors come here. I suspect they don’t particularly enjoy it at the time but do later

I mean, ick right? But we’re all wired differently, that’s for sure

So it’s not the global subjugation, marginalisation & exploitation of women and girls that’s the problem, just us Mumsnetters who dare to complain about it?

Crikey.

I wonder if a feminist was to blame for those saggy bundles? I like to imagine a Bridge on the River Kwai type scenario featuring deliberate sabotage by POWs (seeing as Rob in likes to remind us that Robinself definitely wasn’t responsible in anyway shape or form)

That's why I mostly include the username and put the quote in italics, so that people don't mistakenly conclude that I'm some sort of blue haired fascist!

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😁the joys of not trying to include a persons original post

Oops!

Abject apologies!

Apologies @SinnerBoy (and everyone else!) the first paragraph in my post is in fact a quote from our legal visitor. The second paragraph is my comment.

MassiveWordSalad · Today 13:49

But the worst of you here treat trans people just as you would complain about men treating women historically.

Really? Who here consistently pays trans less? Who's beaten them for not having dinner ready? Etc etc.

But the worst of you here treat trans people just as you would complain about men treating women historically.

I note that there is no acknowledgement here that women actually have been mistreated by men historically, just that we would complain about it.

The hyperbole of ‘you are all treating some male people the same way male people treated women historically’ doesn’t work when you don’t name the group of people of the male sex who women are supposedly mistreating.

It also highlights very starkly the fact that we are suddenly expected, with no ability to refuse or question, to implicitly trust the very group of people who have tried repeatedly over milenia to put us down, shut us up, murder us, rape us, deny us our vote, deny us jobs and property and still even now the ability to inherit some things if born before males. I could go on, but I'd still be going next week, to do the right thing for US as well as them?

Why the fuck should we? Why should we trust men who still want to do all the things, and more, that I've just listed above?

No, and you know what's coming next...

NO. NO BLOODY WAY. NO DEBATE

I do recommend that any readers do watch that interview.

I think it will become very clear that male socialisation doesn’t disappear with any tweak of appearance. Either from written posts or from interviews.

And some people wonder why women object.

I remember first reading that blog post about being bumped into from behind by the male attendant in the shop where the toilet was situated. No woman would react the way White did. Yet, they delighted in it. Revelled in it.

A male person who finds it hard to accept that women will always correctly identify them in person, on line or in their writing lashes out with a derogatory and misogynist insult.

How very unsurprising.

Sorry I posted before I was finished checking the post. The last paragraph should read

I wonder why some posters, and I don't mean any on this thread obviously, derive some thrill from being humiliated by women on a regular basis?

You know the fact is that this thread, like quite a few others, if some posters had kept away from this thread, it would likely be at the bottom of the first page of threads by now.

Unfortunately some posters on threads are their own worse enemy and prove the points much better than we could ever do about exactly what it is we are dealing with and how our speech is continually monitored and controlled, well on here at least.

As an example on this thread a poster decided to post a denial of something then a few posts later do exactly the thing they just claimed to never do, happens rather a lot with some posters. It's very illuminating as to which side of the argument may be the more truthful one.

Plus those posters words before they leave, usually in a theatrical style, help keep the threads going for at least another 100 posts or so.

I wonder why some posters, and I don't mean any on this thread obviously, derive some thrill from being humiliated on a regular basis?

But the worst of you here treat trans people just as you would complain about men treating women historically.

The hyperbole of ‘you are all treating some male people the same way male people treated women historically’ doesn’t work when you don’t name the group of people of the male sex who women are supposedly mistreating.

The male poster calling women witches has nothing else.

They have been here on this board a long time and have yet to convince anyone.

I mean maybe someone bought their book to fact check it. I remember posts being deleted because the board became a marketing outlet for the book in the end. I am sure someone paid for it.

No. Hyperbole is all they have. And correctly sexing in such a sentence renders the attempt at emotional manipulation meaningless.

I believe the one truly terrible thing that women like us are doing to biologically male trans identifying people is saying no to them.

Apparently female people wanting to set boundaries for reasons of safety, dignity and privacy - and out of basic self respect for ourselves as full human beings - is on a par with male people denying those of us who are female the right to vote, own property, access an education, work in a profession, say no to marital rape, make our own life choices, be paid the same/have our work valued, be safe on the streets and in our own home, have reproductive choice - and so on, ad infinitum.

Who knew that female people saying no to male people was such a heinous, abhorrent thing to do.

(Every male person who ever benefited from male privilege and the patriarchy and was determined to uphold it, obvs)

Women, saying no to male people is a hate crime and LITERAL VIOLENCE!

Very good questions, FWR.

It’s a shame that it doesn’t look like RMW will be back to answer them.

Perhaps we can see that as being educational in itself.

I think that it's more than likely that they know exactly how they are perceived and that they get a kick out of it. They get a further kick out of forcing compliance, like flouncy Robin, here.

"You don't accept my edicts! I'm leaving!"

What a brat.

Agreed. The amount of sunlight this week has been amazing. I wonder if these men realise how they come across to normal people 🤔 do they watch themselves and realise?

Yeah the past week has really caused the wheels to come off this juggernaut.

There is no longer any argument that can have any credence anymore.

Not one.

And as I'm really seeing why they held into it for so long

NO DEBATE

The day we were expected to treat male rapists as women was the day this identity adventure men were having came unstuck.

No. That's the evidence. Rapists.

@FlirtsWithRhinos

And conversely what are trans activists doing to women

Calling us witches
Calling for us to be decapitated and eaten
Verbally then physically intimidating a woman in parliament
Cheering rapists going into the female prison estate
jerking off in women's underwear in m and s taking photos then hanging the items back up for some woman to buy
Demanding women get out of politics

And that's just off the top of my head in this country.

The underwear thing granted is new, but historically men have stolen underwear for the same purpose from washing lines so....

But the worst of you here treat trans people just as you would complain about men treating women historically.

You know, the more I think about this the less I understand it.

What, exactly, is it that gender critical women doing to trans women that men historically did to women?

Are we denying you the right to own property?
Are we helping ourselves to your bodies?
Are we denying you access to the arenas of political, economic or social power?
Are we limiting your access to education?
Are we setting up a social system that makes you dependent on us so you have to suffer our domestic abuse?
Do we make a game of seducing you with lies then despise and defame you for believing us?

Honestly, I'd love to know.

I feel I should just say at this point

WOMAN means Adult Human Female

Nothing more nothing less

How the fuck did I miss that magnificent duck pic earlier?

I like a cheeky duck pic me.

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