Sarah Phillimore and Robin Moira White interviewed by Andrew Doyle

I wondered what this post meant then I watched it! Well done Sarah, so clear, calm and concise.

I couldn't watch any further robin's voice was so boring and dull. And what was with the manspreading?

I think the fact men are in women prisons at all shows the risk assessment is based on the risk to the man,

Another thanks from me too Sarah.

Yes, I felt that too but only when Robin was talking about wishing to have a woman’s voice and feeling the surgery was too risky because barristers’ voices are so important to their ability to do their job. However, someone else pointed out that this meant Robin had prioritised their job over the chance to appear more feminine which is a good point. After watching the interviewer a few days ago I did type out a post about all the spurious arguments Robin used, especially the apartheid one, but lost it!

That is shocking, the a sense of clarity also shocking.

They are banding around "risk assessment" and it's not actually clear who's risk is being assessed.

RMW made the point that the situation came about due to the abuse and suicide of vulnerable trans identifying males in prison. Less vulnerable have gone on to abuse the loophole. Which indicates that it is all about the risk to the male where they are in mens prisons rather than where they're hoping to go to.

I have never seen an actual risk assessment so I don't know.

Is there any way to FOI the risk assessment criteria?

But,@LaughingPriest, if one race/ethnic group did in fact commit 98% of crime, or even one type of crime, against another such group I'd support separation of those groups.

Imagine - 98% of violent crime committed by white men against black men. Solution - lock the black guys up with the white. Nope. Plainly wrong. Or at least in any civilised society it would be wrong.

BBC Wednesday 3.34pm

Guardian 2079

Should we have a sweepstake on when the BBC will actually start to report on this properly. Or even better, the Guarinad?

I have seen different views about this on Twitter. I have never seen an actual risk assessment so I don't know. All I will say is that women and their rights have been completely absent from the various policy documents I have looked at - so it would sadly not surprise me at all if the focus of any risk assessment was on male validation, rather than female safety.

Spero Thank you 💐

Yes. And by inference not just the rapists in women’s prisons.

So it is true what you vipers have been saying all along, that if this is debated properly, it will all unravel before our eyes.

No. Not for him no. I enjoyed it.

I am so glad. My pity for people can be my undoing!

But then not both then

Both then I don't like him very much.

No. Not for him no. I enjoyed it.

Robin certainly wasn't quite as pompous as when on the bbc debate with Sonia Sodah and other women a week or so ago.

endless when the weak arguments RMW gave were stripped away, Robin conceded it was lunacy.

@Spero is this true? The risk assessment is to the male prisoner? Not the women?

twitter.com/emilia_sinclair/status/1618709973902712832?s=46&t=xBiND0JE4WMBU5FNRZqpnQ

I know that I am going to annoy people with what I am about to say, because I actually annoy myself.

Did anyone else feel a kind of female-socialised pity for RMW in that GBN piece? The fact that RMW had conceded on a few key points and knew it deep down. The uncomfortable realisation about the whole thing being a sham. I saw it in RMWs eyes, body language and voice.

That masculine hankering, lust, for the adrenaline rush of battle and victory. For years men, and some women who self-administer male levels of testosterone, have been riding on this high - this ‘fight’ and winning victories by whatever means necessary “all’s fair in love and war”.

To now see it in the cold light of day, that it was all bullying, mania, unjust, stolen territories.

And what for? So that some people can live a lie and never need to admit or be held to account for it, no matter who is harmed by the lie.

Its not really the sort of fight that stirs the blood is it?

This is such a good point. With Jim Crow or Apartheid- it wasn’t the black people asking to be segregated was it?

Where as women, the ones with lesser social status and power, are the ones asking to be segregated for our own safety (privacy/dignity/etc). It’s the diametrically opposed power dynamic from racial segregation.

Slippery gits.

But,@LaughingPriest, if one race/ethnic group did in fact commit 98% of crime, or even one type of crime, against another such group I'd support separation of those groups.

Imagine - 98% of violent crime committed by white men against black men. Solution - lock the black guys up with the white. Nope. Plainly wrong. Or at least in any civilised society it would be wrong.

I noticed Calum Steele referred to killing foxes, which amused me.

unlike these ridiculous men in balaclavas I am not afraid to show my face and I am able to direct my anger into coherent words and positive action.

Yes! I could see it and feel it. There is something so immensely powerful and bullet-proof when a persons feelings and their words unapologetically line up in the truth! You seemed to glow with light!

Really a beautiful thing to behold.

💐 thank you again Spero