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Sandyford Clinic in Scotland closing doors to new patients

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Signalbox · 15/02/2023 09:02

www.heraldscotland.com/news/23321587.sandyford-gender-identity-clinic-closed-new-patients/

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ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 12:24

NHS Scotland have since said they do not work with WPATH, Hoardasaurus. And don't use the WPATH Standards of Care. It wwas in their statement about the Eunuch fiasco.

Hoardasurass · 15/02/2023 12:20

@AmaryllisNightAndDay the policy is what the Scottish NHS is using. They had links to the eunuch archives on the NHS Scotland website and when people complained and their it team investigated they had to report themselves to the police due to the sheer volume of csa on the eunuch achieve

rogdmum · 15/02/2023 12:19

It is also worth pointing out that the current work to develop standards appears to be working to a model of getting more children and adolescents onto the medical pathway faster.

There are no signs at the moment of a change of direction in Scotland.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/02/2023 11:57

@Hoardasurass Is SPATH a serious organisation, meaning one that is, or was, listened to by the Scottish NHS? Or by anyone else for that matter. Because their manifesto reads like a lunatic fringe.

Hoardasurass · 15/02/2023 11:28

PinkyU · 15/02/2023 09:41

It’s actually not great news, how incredibly short sighted.

Those young people will still need to access mental health services which will mean a massively over stretched, under resourced CAMHS service will be prevented from helping other YP as they will now have to absorb sandyfords excess patients.

How is that great news?!

It's great news because these children should have always been under CHAMS but instead they were sent to a "service" that literally refused to treat or even accept that they had any mh problems. Please read the SPATH (Scottish version of WPATH).
If you think what has been happening at the Tavistock is a scandal then I don't know what you will make of the Sandyford as its even worse! Stergeon has refused to acknowledge the cass review and pushed for more extreme practices driven by ideology rather than science.
Personally I want to see them all up on charges of crimes against humanity as all I see is a eugenics program of sterilising autistic children, homosexual children and mentally ill abuse survivors.
33%(1/3) of all gids patients have autism yet only 2% of the population dose. That statistic alone should tell you all that you need to know.
But yes CHAMS needs a complete overhaul and proper funding

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Signalbox · 15/02/2023 11:19

I've asked for the heading to be amended to reflect the actual situation.

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Signalbox · 15/02/2023 11:14

rogdmum · 15/02/2023 11:02

This is not at all saying the clinic is closing. It is saying they are closing the waiting list for new referrals.

They have struggled in recent years to recruit staff and this looks like a staffing problem. If they manage to recruit staff, they will reopen the waiting list.

In the meantime, they are busy shunting the 17 year olds on the waiting lists to the adult clinics where their time on the Sandyford lists are counted as “time served”, resulting in some 17 year olds receiving immediate appointments at the adult clinics.

You are right. I misinterpreted what is happening.

Staffing shortages are occurring across the NHS aren't they so are other services refusing new referrals? And I wonder if it's common for services to refuse new referrals? I guess dentists frequently close their books to new NHS patients when they're overwhelmed but I don't know about the wider NHS.

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RedToothBrush · 15/02/2023 11:11

rogdmum · 15/02/2023 11:02

This is not at all saying the clinic is closing. It is saying they are closing the waiting list for new referrals.

They have struggled in recent years to recruit staff and this looks like a staffing problem. If they manage to recruit staff, they will reopen the waiting list.

In the meantime, they are busy shunting the 17 year olds on the waiting lists to the adult clinics where their time on the Sandyford lists are counted as “time served”, resulting in some 17 year olds receiving immediate appointments at the adult clinics.

I would take this all as an admission that trans kids medically has a limited time frame, and is going to face increasing scrutiny, just as the case in England.

That doesn't mean it won't continue, but it is going to be harder for the NHS to justify....

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 15/02/2023 11:10

rogdmum · 15/02/2023 11:02

This is not at all saying the clinic is closing. It is saying they are closing the waiting list for new referrals.

They have struggled in recent years to recruit staff and this looks like a staffing problem. If they manage to recruit staff, they will reopen the waiting list.

In the meantime, they are busy shunting the 17 year olds on the waiting lists to the adult clinics where their time on the Sandyford lists are counted as “time served”, resulting in some 17 year olds receiving immediate appointments at the adult clinics.

Oh dear

thank you for the clarification

rogdmum · 15/02/2023 11:02

This is not at all saying the clinic is closing. It is saying they are closing the waiting list for new referrals.

They have struggled in recent years to recruit staff and this looks like a staffing problem. If they manage to recruit staff, they will reopen the waiting list.

In the meantime, they are busy shunting the 17 year olds on the waiting lists to the adult clinics where their time on the Sandyford lists are counted as “time served”, resulting in some 17 year olds receiving immediate appointments at the adult clinics.

FrancescaContini · 15/02/2023 10:48

ResisterRex · 15/02/2023 09:14

With no inquiry, this looks like a great way of gradually withdrawing while holding no one to account.

Yes, quietly creeping away, hoping nobody notices…

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Signalbox · 15/02/2023 10:48

Bitofhelpoverhere · 15/02/2023 10:33

That’s the way of Nicola Sturgeon! ‘Never accept responsibility’ is pretty much her mantra. The whole rapists in women’s prisons thing? That’s totally not on her, either!

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I bet she’ll pretend her resignation has got nothing to do with GRR or Scottish Prison policy.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 15/02/2023 10:40

Leaving children and teens in a state of fragile mental health though is terrible news.

Well... if Sandyford aren't accepting referrals then that pushes other services to do something. Especially since many of these kids have multiple conditions.

Yes it will still be whack-a-mole with Mermaids and GenderGP. But now that Susie Green has left under a cloud and Mermaids themselves are under investigation, maybe Mermaids will have the good sense to break any links with GenderGP (etc) at least for the under 18s.

Bitofhelpoverhere · 15/02/2023 10:33

ResisterRex · 15/02/2023 09:14

With no inquiry, this looks like a great way of gradually withdrawing while holding no one to account.

That’s the way of Nicola Sturgeon! ‘Never accept responsibility’ is pretty much her mantra. The whole rapists in women’s prisons thing? That’s totally not on her, either!

WarriorNun · 15/02/2023 10:30

Good. Feel
Like the house of cards is falling down....

NotBadConsidering · 15/02/2023 10:29

It’s all happening!

ArabellaScott · 15/02/2023 10:28

hryllilegur · 15/02/2023 10:05

Barely anyone actually voted for the greens in the first place.

It’s just that they have been able to gain enormously disproportionate political power because they were willing to prop up the SNP.

And the SNP don’t actually care about the views of the Scottish people.

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Also the ridiculous list vote system

lanadelgrey · 15/02/2023 10:27

services do sometimes have to close waiting lists - done when it takes more time to manage the list than do work ie when it could be a couple of years to get an appointment or service. It’s a v loud HELP to commissioners of the service and to other organisations such as Camhs or GPs who make the referrals that pushing a patient up the line isn’t possible any more

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Signalbox · 15/02/2023 10:21

ItsDinah · 15/02/2023 10:17

Well, the easiest way to cut waiting list times is to abolish the waiting list. No list,no wait.

Quite. The waiting list was doomed to get longer and longer however much money they threw at it. As gender began to incorporate all manner of body modification, all lifesaving of course, it would have been impossible to keep up.

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Signalbox · 15/02/2023 10:18

hryllilegur · 15/02/2023 10:07

The thing about Sturgeon resigning is that her replacement will probably be just as shit.

But good. She deserves to have to resign over this.

I wonder how a new leader is voted in with the SNP. If it’s other SNP MP or if it’s the membership?

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ItsDinah · 15/02/2023 10:17

Well, the easiest way to cut waiting list times is to abolish the waiting list. No list,no wait.

hryllilegur · 15/02/2023 10:07

The thing about Sturgeon resigning is that her replacement will probably be just as shit.

But good. She deserves to have to resign over this.

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Signalbox · 15/02/2023 10:07

littlbrowndog · 15/02/2023 10:03

Is sturgeon resigning today. Press conference at 11am ?

Omg really? Brilliant.

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littlbrowndog · 15/02/2023 10:06

Yeah Lorna slater. Got 6000 votes 😖

hryllilegur · 15/02/2023 10:05

scratchedbymycat · 15/02/2023 10:02

Please can we all vote the SNP and Greens out at the next election. Please.

Barely anyone actually voted for the greens in the first place.

It’s just that they have been able to gain enormously disproportionate political power because they were willing to prop up the SNP.

And the SNP don’t actually care about the views of the Scottish people.