Sandyford Clinic in Scotland closing doors to new patients

'V7 of WPATH has not been incorporated into NHS Scotland guidance and nir does NHS Scotland follow all of WPATH. Similarly, there are no plans for v 8 of WPATH to be incorporated or followed either. It is incorrect to state that the gender clinics follow the WPATH guidance.
The WPATH guidance is one reference that is consulted to inform gender clinic guidance'

I see. So they consult the guidance as references, but they don't 'follow' them.

Holy sophistry!

www.nss.nhs.scot/publications/foi-000247-correspondence-regarding-the-potential-adoption-of-wpath-new-guidelines/foi-000247-correspondence-regarding-the-potential-adoption-of-wpath-new-guidelines-html/

Dates:

FOI 21 July 2022

SPATH September 2022, according to the FWS website.

Hmmmm.

Yep. As long as the script is signed by a doctor with a EEA license to practise.

The only sticking point is if the high street pharmacist refuses to fill the paper prescription.
This does happen but GGP’s customers just just shop around until they find one who is willing/not paying attention. The GGP ‘fund’ provides the costs of the private medications.

www.gov.uk/guidance/prescriptions-issued-in-the-eea-and-switzerland-guidance-for-pharmacists

'The review ... took into account ... Advances in evidence including World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH) Standards of Care'

'The document was part of a public consultation led by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and as such is unrelated to NHS Scotland and the NGICNS. NHS Scotland and WPATH do not have a working relationship'

Well, these two statements seem to contradict each other.

www.nss.nhs.scot/publications/foi-000151-unlicensed-eunuch-procedures-and-the-care-of-the-patients/foi-000151-unlicensed-eunuch-procedures-and-the-care-of-the-patients-html/

'On the 15th of June, NHS National Services Scotland’s National Services Division became aware of a third-party document hosted on the National Gender Identity Care Network for Scotland (NGICNS) website. The document has since been removed and the website taken down pending the outcome of an investigation.

NHS Scotland did not author the document, contribute to it or comment on it. The document’s content does not reflect current policy or guidance on standards of care for NHS Scotland.

The document was part of a public consultation led by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) and as such is unrelated to NHS Scotland and the NGICNS. NHS Scotland and WPATH do not have a working relationship, and any concerns about the content should be raised directly with WPATH.'

'1.2 What informed the review
The review was based on principles of human rights and person centred care.
It took into account in relation to gender identity healthcare:

• Best practice and developments from across and outwith NHS Scotland
• Different models of care
• Advances in evidence including World Professional Association of Transgender Health (WPATH) Standards of Care
• Updates to the World Health Organisation’s International'

From teh SPATH document. No date on it. Does anyone know when it came out?

Gosh, a not terribly honest shocker.

I do appreciate how awful it is that parents have so little say at 16plus.
It’s where we are with my DD now (albeit not in Scotland)
GenderGP will already give a year’s worth of hormones to any kid with unsupportive parents who GGP decides is Gillick Competent and Superdrug will reportedly sell Testogel to anyone 18 and up with an M marker on their passport after a questionnaire with the online pharmacist 😱

None of this is ok but it’s also not ok that kids with affirming parents going through Sandyford lose their fertility/sexual function either 😢

No thanks 😮

As a parent, you can say no to puberty blockers and Sandyford would be unwilling to put a child down that path without a supportive family. At 17, that is not taken into consideration and cross sex hormones are effectively given on demand without proper assessment. For parents in that situation, it is a more frightening prospect than saying no to Sandyford when the child is younger.

Sorry! If Mumsnet had an edit button I would swap ‘closing’ for ‘pausing’!

Thanks for correction.

I completely agree that funnelling 17 year olds straight into adult service is worrying but at least going straight on cross sex hormones at 17 is less physically damaging than puberty blockers for 1 to 6 years followed by cross sex hormones.
Getting to 17 without physical intervention gives teens the option to store gametes too - not possible at 10/11.

It is not closing! It is just the waiting list that has been shut and there is absolutely no indication that this is a permanent closure.

Yes the clinic that has given puberty blockers to children as young as 9 years old by all accounts. Glad if it means this practice is stopped.

Thanks for your concern @suggestionsplease1 but the sexual health services bit is staying open, as is the adult GIC.

It’s only the paediatric gender clinic that is closing.

NHS Scotland is heavily influence by WPATH.

Here is the work currently underway to develop standards- WPATH Soc 8 is a main driver:

forwomen.scot/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/SPATH-Sub-group-update-and-recommendations-v0.1.pdf

Sorry I didn't mean for that to be in bold it changed itself 😪

@FrancescaContini if you want to know redux did a really informative article on it but it's grim reading

@ArabellaScott that's correct they claim that they don't use it however evidence says otherwise

NHS Scotland's gender service posted WPATH's Standards of Care on their website. One of the 'standards of care' involves Eunuchs, as a gender. The report on it included links to the Eunuch Archive, which is effectively a huge repository of CSA fiction.

The EUNUCH ARCHIVE???

What utter fresh abhorrent hell is this?? Actually please don’t tell me; I couldn’t bear to know about it. Those two words suffice.

100% on point @ResisterRex

Thanks @Hoardasurass It's amazing what people who should know better will take seriously!