Is a man accused of rape guilty until proven innocent?

pFFFF

Yes of course. Not changing the law to allow anonimity for men accused of rape

is exactly the same

as changing the burden of proof for rape cases and rearranging the whole structure of teh criminal justice system in order to do so.

That is so obvious.

FFS

LOL I frequently have the same thought, chibi...

Thankyou herbeatitude

where does everyone get the energy to engage from

when I am confronted yet again by people peddling rape myths or suggesting that the assumption of perpetual consent can't be revoked or the earth will fly off its axis I just want to either curl up in a ball or respond with stupid facetious smartarsery

not the best response I know

I think I just find it wearing that something so key to my life and mental health is a matter fir cheap pointscoring and abstract conjecture

as though we are debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin

on the one hand I think, ok I need to engage seriously and help people understand where I am coming from/a feminist perspective

on the other hand I think o fuck off I can't be arsed

The low conviction rate for rape undermines the entire basis of the rule of law.

I as a woman understand that if I'm raped (again), unless it is a classic but very rare "stranger jumping out of dark alley" situation, I will not get justice (again). And since 1 in 4 women (on conservative estimates) get raped by men, that's an awful lot of women who don't get justice.

No-one's that worried about how women don't have the protection of the law though, are they? No-one goes on and on about how it's undermining our whole legal system and the rule of law, are they?

ISNT - it was me you were having a ding dong with on the other thread and I have not commented on this thread for that reason.

UQD and me are ofen get mistaken for each other but like him I do not routinely comment on feminsm threads either.

I did comment on 'anonimity' thread though because I sensed the slippery slope of changing the burden of proof was underlying many of the comments there.

We cannot go round changing burdens of proof to get the verdict we prefer in court cases. That would undermine the entire basis of our legal system.

Enough said.

ROFL very good

I have no experience with the ding-dongs of any of the dads in question

It's another 3 syllable dad who there was a big ding-dong with on the thread about anonimity, and other things as well.

I am sorry I confused you with him, I went for you with gusto thinking that we had history with all of this, when of course we don't.

Well, that's OK. Who has a similar name to me? I'm interested now... Hiding this thread now, though, so won't add any more.

Yikes

UQD I have realised that I have you confused with another poster with a very similar name.

I am very sorry about that. Anything I said to you after 8 I definitely had the wrong person.

Apologies again.

I'mSoNotTelling, you appear to be putting words into my mouth. Have I said that long string of convenient straw-man stuff you spout? I don't think so. You address me as if I'm someone who has come on here and said these things "again and again", which bemuses me somewhat. (I don't think I have ever talked about rape on here, in fact. Or if I have then it's been for about less than 1% of the time I've spent on here.)
Why the question "Why do you feel so strongly about this subject?" I'm puzzled. Would you ask a woman that?

Lenin, my opening was precisely because I had the same reaction to the OP - not clear if that's her view or one she heard on Woman's Hour and may not have agreed with, but it's am unreasonable one all the same.

Is the colloquial use someone who is paid to stir up trouble?

If so then I retract my last post and hereby claim my prize

Or maybe not, an agent provocateur isn;t what I thought it was

I guess OP initials stand for Agent Provocateur so maybe that's a little clue as to what happened here

Yep agree SGM and ISNT

sancti yes there is an argument for anonimity for serious crimes generally

but why single out rape? that is the big problem with the proposed legislation