Domestic Violence and the World Cup

But why can't anything be done to change it? Isn't that the problem? Letting men get away with it??? anticipating that it is NORMAL??

Not only scary that children can be hurt but v v scary that women can be hurt?

I think there is evidence that public campaigns work. Public attitudes to drink driving, smoking, wearing seat belts, using sun cream (the Australian Slip,Slap,Slop campaign), have changed in the last 30 years. Are you really saying that the public campaigns about them have had nothing whatsoever to do with those changing attitudes Moondog? Surely the change in attitudes is evidence that the campaigns work?

On their own they don't, but if they work with PR and agencies on the ground (eg police actually bothering to enforce the law, as with drink driving and generating editorial material, doctors nagging patients not to smoke, etc.) they do have an effect, all the measures feed into each other. Unless you are going to claim that attitudes would have changed without the campaigns.

Have not read all this thread BUT from personal experience I can say YES DV is higher when football is on. Either the world cup or the persons home team. And nothing can change it happening at the time. It is a sad sad fact and a nasty one but also a very real one. And scarey as this is where children can be hurt

I didn't know it was that high, gingerK. But when in hospital having given birth, was surprised at all the posters everywhere (in ladies' loo etc) regarding DV and pregnancy. Felt v bad for all the women whose experience of a newborn is ruined by bastard DP.

How can we bring our sons up better? Is the alcohol culture so ingrained as to be unchangeable? And are footballers (who all seem to be doggers from what I can gather) really the role models we want for our boys?

He he Prole, I am sniggering at the way you are moving the goalposts.

From this

'Campaigns to raise public awareness can be v effective.'

To this.....

'And I'm looking forward to seeing this evidence moondog has that the media have no effect on people whatsoever.'

Go on, I insist you go first-give me the evidence for your first assertion.

Not WC related but if MN get on board with a DV campaign, it's worth mentioning that at my booking in appt when PG with DD, the MW asked my DH to leave the room so she could tell me that a shocking 90% of all DV starts during pregnancy.

Yes. I shall email you. Well done on the promotion

Promoting this can't do anything negative, surly if it helps one woman/man from being harmed then it's worth the effort.

I don't see how raising awareness can do any harm.

I think at the very least it would strike a chord in people's minds. If they'd been trying to rationalise as normal some behaviour in their partner, hearing that this connection is officially recognised would make it harder to silence the warning bell in the back of your mind.

Maybe the campaign won't make men less likely to be abusive during the World cup, but maybe it will make women who suffer it more likely to join the dots.

And that's a crucial part of it. Recognising it, figuring out whats acceptable to the REST of the World. You can lose your judgment in abusive relationships. Campaigns like this will be reminding women that something they try to rationalise, excuse ignore or make light of is not after all normal.

Come on then Moondog- let's see it.

Well I'm coming at this from another angle.

Four years ago during the WC I took home from the hospital a premature baby and my X was in a vile humour as he just wanted to concentrate on football. Everything revolved around football. He put the baby in the hall (in pram/bouncer) outside the room when he cried and slammed the door shut (a signal to me not to go to the baby).

Every time I read that another one of his bizarre behaviours was somehow typical or predictable, it helps somehow. It cancels it out just a little bit. The more TEXT BOOK he was in his treatment of me, the less it was about me.

So maybe 'raising awareness' also helps the people put a tag on something they knew wasn't right but didn't know what it meant.

Prole, where is your evidence?
Becuase for any you unearth, I will come back with much more to show you that this stuff doesn't work.

Didn't they make beer mats for something? Is there any research to say that these were effective?

Well actually, don't live with a violent drinker isn't the answer.

Don't be a violent drinker is the answer.

Knowing that a problem exists and how to solve it are two very different things though.

I know Pan is not clueless.

Pan. are you still in that job? (it's avenanap, you still owe me an opera evening)

Pan has more then the normal amount of knowledge on this moondog, hardly clueless.

Look Pan, you know I love ya.

But I must say that my professional forte is unveiling the myriad utterly ineffectual 'campaigns' and 'awareness raising events' that have proliferated over the last few years. The vast majority make eff all differnce.

I'm not sure we can do anything but say 'Dv. Hmm, yes, terrible, terrible.'
And then get back to spinning a few top tunes.