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Domestic Violence and the World Cup

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LordPanofthePeaks · 06/06/2010 22:26

I raise this after an exchange of emails with MN HQ and after checking the list of issues raised in this topic list.

Posters may or may not be aware of the significant rise in the experience of DV at the times of football tournaments, and most specifically the World Cup.

Anyone googling this issue will read some startling statistics, and would appreciate that as the tournament draws near this is a heighten time of risk to women. In the borough where I work the highest ever reporting time of DV was when England played Paraguay last time ( and won).

I don't wish to killjoy a fabulous event, but the darker side of it should not be ignored.

Nationally, DV incidents reported 'spike' at these times, and we can speculate why.
I do have a professional ( and personal) interest in this, and am keen to promote an awareness of this danger. I do have responsibilities in a public organisation for Domestic Violence, as well as Children and Families, and have noticed a lack of promotion of this danger which can be so easily predicted.

So I am inviting a discussion and pointers for how people, both perptrators and potential victims can do what they can to avoid this nasty experience. MN do not ahve a current DV campaign, though the strength of opinion from posters may change this.

Anyone?

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 07/06/2010 19:13

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 07/06/2010 17:48

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LordPanofthePeaks · 07/06/2010 11:03

no tabouleh, you're right of course about 'victim-blaming' and I wasn't intending to apportion blame at all.

It may be possible though for a woman who has been assaulted before to exercise some leaverage with her partner beforehand to give the heads-up to him to behave better. IF she feels she can do this of course. For other women it may mean choosing to absent themselves for a period. This latter option is pretty poor, unfair and disruptive but may be a choice some women make.

IT's apparent from the boards that lots of posters have to get around to managing violence in the home, or have done in the past, so it seems MN is a good place to bring this ot the attention of thousands of women.
Public-funded campaigns are aimed rightly at the perpetrators, and perhaps govt advertisements in men's magazines may lead to a change in thinking and make DV a shameful act, much like drinking/driving is now.

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 07/06/2010 10:59

Thanks for starting this thread. For the record I think that informing people about this correlation can only be a good thing.

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 07/06/2010 09:53

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tabouleh · 07/06/2010 08:52

I think that such a campaign/awareness raising is a good thing - because they challenge attitudes and share information.

There are some women who due to their backgrounds/upbringing have "normalised" the DV situation they are in.

Access to sources of information can be provided through posters/adverts etc.

moondog - have a look at the Tackling Violence against Women and Girls - A guide to Good Practice and Communications. I think that it shows what campaigns should be trying to do and then talks about measuring attitude changes.

OP - I have been reading this topic for just long enough to pick up on:

"how people, both perptrators and potential victims can do what they can to avoid this nasty experience"

Surely you can't tell "potential victims" how to avoid DV without somehow making it their fault! Access to info, yes ...

HerBeatitude · 07/06/2010 07:49

The evidence that public campaigns work, is that attitudes and behaviour have changed. It is no longer socially acceptable to drink and drive. The rates of smoking have plummeted. Most people now think wearing seat-belts is a good idea, not an attack on their basic human rights.

When the public information campaigns on these issues first started, of course they were preaching to the converted. But over a period of years, the majority have been converted.

Isn't that evidence? Or are we really going to pretend that police enforcement and Lancet articles about the link between smoking and illness alone are responsible for such changes in attitudes in the last few decades?

BelleDameSansMerci · 07/06/2010 07:33

I've been thinking about this issue quite a lot. I thought incidents of DV always increased with football - Saturday match days and then events like the World Cup or European Cup really heightening it.

I think it would be helpful if more footballers actually got involved in anti-DV campaigning but then they might have to actually not be seen to condone this behaviour in their colleagues.

I also don't see any harm in an awareness campaign - if only so that those who know women who are in danger can keep a closer eye on them and know that the police will respond if called.

As for why it happens - not that difficult to work out. DV perpetrators are bullies. They have a huge rush of emotions/aggression etc, often fuelled by alcohol, and then have nothing to do with those feelings. They go home and take it out on someone who can't fight bad.

I wonder how many women will be hospitalised or worse. It makes me feel sick and furious that so many people will be dreading this event because they will sure to be on the receiving end of someone's fist.

Sakura · 07/06/2010 05:28

DOes anyone remember a film called I.D? That was about football events leading to DV and rape.

Sakura · 07/06/2010 05:27

It's something to do with the testosterone high the men get when they're all together, is it not? Alcohol raises testosterone too so that's definitely part of the problem
I like moondog's solutions, but I don't think a campaign can do any harm.

LordPanofthePeaks · 07/06/2010 01:03

I need to pop off.

I hope this thread is of some purpose, and hope it keeps on going until it is not needed anymore.

As I said at the start, it was an awareness-raising purpose, not a campaign call, though that would be welcolme if it happened. Women and men could make decisions about how to avoid bad things happening if difficulties can be anticipated.
The World Cup is an intriguing thing to some, and a bore to others, but it shouldn't be a dangerous thing.

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 07/06/2010 00:48

I've recieved that and have replied very quickly (I'm multitasking).

I have a good pal who head's the criminology department at the Uni if you need any help/advice. She's a survivor of DV.

LordPanofthePeaks · 07/06/2010 00:40

belle - replied.

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PortiaNovmerriment · 07/06/2010 00:35

I get the point made by Moondog about preaching to the converted, but I think that campaigns do make a difference, as a smoker who has to occupy the status of a social pariah after only a few years of government finger-wagging!

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 07/06/2010 00:34

All three sound like a good plan.

There's 2 types of perpetrator (sorry about the spelling), the ones that regularly hurt their partner and the ones that are drunk, emotionally 'not with it' and are least likely to do it again. You can't target both in the same way as there's different things making them tick.

moondog · 07/06/2010 00:32

Sorry, raise price of booze I mean.
There is sound evidence that reducing access to cheap booze cuts down on violence, domestic and otherwise as well as myriad health issues.

moondog · 07/06/2010 00:31

Ok, what can we do?

Raise prices on alcohol?
Reduce dominance of football over everything?
Stop paying footballers so much money?

I would personally endorse all 3 but unlikey in a free world.

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 07/06/2010 00:26

I see your point of wanting to raise awareness but is it remembered when someone's trollied?

I have emailed you pan.

LordPanofthePeaks · 07/06/2010 00:26

moonie - you want to take the thread away from it's purpose. That's up to you, but it isn't doing a great deal of good.

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moondog · 07/06/2010 00:23

I asked you first.
Please give me your evidence for your first assertion.

LordPanofthePeaks · 07/06/2010 00:22

I believe in evidence-based practice. Do it all the time, as it goes. I ask for evidence each time I am presented with a problem.

But you are ignoring the points raised about seat belts, drink driving, apartheid, the franchise etc. How campaigns are handled DO affect their effectiveness, yes, but it is tricky to pick out how changes ahve been affected by campaigns.

and for the very last time...I am not asking for a campaign, just a level of awareness raising. If others wish ot pick that up then fine.

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Prolesworth · 07/06/2010 00:19

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moondog · 07/06/2010 00:14

Pan, I thoguht I made my point.
Raising awareness doesn't generally work because message gets out to those who believe in it anyway.Obviously I don';t want to be dismissive of good peopel and their eforts but as a society we have to take a good hard look at what works and what doesn't.

Subject very close to my heart-I am preparing a lecture on evidence based practice right now.

belledechocolatefluffybunny · 07/06/2010 00:13

Domestic violence, like child abuse, has always been seen to be something that's best off not spoken about. There's a bigger taboo about it so it does need to be handled very carefully. It's not the same as drink driving, this is seen as socially unacceptable so it's OK to have publicity around it as it's no longer a taboo topic, to do this with domestic violence needs clear strategies. Campaigns do work, they take time though and they need careful handling. It is very unnacceptable to hit your partner.

LordPanofthePeaks · 07/06/2010 00:11

moonie - what is your point? I do see that some trendy, lentil-weaving types can get up your nose, and mine too. But this isn't about that sort of stuff. It's about stuff that happens and is nasty, affects lots of children, and we can see it coming. It's just to raise awareness of it, which is pitifully short in supply so people can make decisions to aid the prevention of it's occurence. So listen to some cool tunes and breathe.

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