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How is it possible to be a feminist and support the sex industry?

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Molesworth · 05/04/2010 15:33

I've just been reading this article from the guardian. Young girls are being sold to brothel keepers and made to take steroids so that they look older than they really are.

All my instincts say that the sex industry is just plain wrong. I know some feminists think it's OK (although obviously they wouldn't support practices like those described in the article). Are there any sex industry supporting feminists here? What's the rationale?

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JeezyPeeps · 05/04/2010 19:53

Well, I sell my mind at work. My xp sold his body by doing physical work. We all sell some aspect of ourselves for money.

It is a very different thing to sell the use of your body or mind for a short time, than to have someone own you and sell you as a person.

I stand by my arguement.

And I will also add that, if a person chooses to sell sex, then the person that is being exploited is the person that is paying the money - not the person making the choice to sell.

Of course the nature of the industry does mean that women are exploited, but not all. Look at Belle du Jour

LynetteScavo · 05/04/2010 19:48

But even women who choose to work in the sex industry only do it because it's the best option available to them at the time.

No one grown up thinking, when I'm big I'm going to be a prostitute.

Grandhighpoohba · 05/04/2010 19:47

The problem with that arguement JeezyPeeps, is that by choosing to sell your body, you keep the concept that a woman's body is a comodity alive. Whilst that concept is alive and kicking, women will be sold, and the sex industry will continue to exploit them. After all, if you can pay for them, they are only objects, that can be moved for cash. And owned. Objects don't have rights, or for that matter, choices. So yes, you can choose to sell your body, but your choices have an impact on vulnerable women. With freedom of choice comes responsibility. Thats what is wrong with choosing to sell your body.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 05/04/2010 19:46

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blackcurrants · 05/04/2010 19:42

Or, what comixminx said. That'll teach me to post before refreshing!

Molesworth · 05/04/2010 19:41

Starting the thread with that article was a bad idea: I don't really mean to imply (as I may have appeared to do) that anyone who supports any aspect of the sex industry is thereby condoning these sorts of particularly horrific practices.

"But if I want to get paid to lapdance or strip or have sex with another individual - whats wrong in that?"

What's wrong with it is that your choice (hypothetical 'you', of course ) is perpetuating an industry which profits from violence against women, at the 'milder' end of the industry as well as the 'extreme' end (such as the brothel in that article).

I'm not normally a black/white thinker, but this issue looks really clear-cut to me. Interested to hear other views.

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blackcurrants · 05/04/2010 19:41

This is a really tricky question, and one to which I don't have an answer.
An observation, though: To me, the sex industry seems inherently anti-feminist so I can't support it in good conscience. And I don't. BUT at the same time, traditionally it's sex workers (majority of whom are women) who are demonized, patronized, and criticized for participating in the sex industry(i.e. not Johns) - and they also suffer most of the consequences of it.

Sooooo I can't support the sex industry, no. But I think it's better to be respectful and listen carefully to sex workers, than to tell them they're anti-feminist tools or whatnot.

Essh, I'm tying myself in knots. Can you tell I haven't thought this through yet?!

comixminx · 05/04/2010 19:40

Surely it's not about supporting the sex industry, but about supporting the women who are in it? Some of them will have made the choice to be in it, some of them will have been forced in by circumstances, some will have been forced in by immoral individuals as above. We need a nuanced view of the issue - I thought this article here was good on the subject.

sarah293 · 05/04/2010 19:39

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Disenchanted5 · 05/04/2010 19:31

That article is horrific though and nothing to do with the sex ndustry we westerners think of (playboy etc)

Whats happening in the article is rape and slavery of woman and children

JeezyPeeps · 05/04/2010 19:20

(Just for the record I am a boring middle aged woman working in a boring middle class job and I wouldn't dream of having sex for money - and I can't see anyone choosing to pay me to strip!)

JeezyPeeps · 05/04/2010 19:19

I wouldn't claim to be a sex-industry supporting feminist, but I'll attempt to answer your question.

Feminism to me is about having the right to be a woman and not be disadvantaged as a result.

Surely if any woman chooses to work in the sex industry (and yes, some do), then why should they not have that right?

I think any individual with an ounce of humanity would see that forcing anyone into the sex industry is utterly immoral, and also forcing them to take steroids is also wrong. Selling people like they are chattels is hugely immoral and a despicable practice. But if I want to get paid to lapdance or strip or have sex with another individual - whats wrong in that?

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