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How is it possible to be a feminist and support the sex industry?

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Molesworth · 05/04/2010 15:33

I've just been reading this article from the guardian. Young girls are being sold to brothel keepers and made to take steroids so that they look older than they really are.

All my instincts say that the sex industry is just plain wrong. I know some feminists think it's OK (although obviously they wouldn't support practices like those described in the article). Are there any sex industry supporting feminists here? What's the rationale?

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Mandamumu · 05/04/2010 23:36

Nope, that's me. You're the one pushing the "prostituted woman, all paid sex is rape" BS

dittany · 05/04/2010 23:34

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Mandamumu · 05/04/2010 23:30

When I use the word climax you may apply to have my nick changed to "Razzle" until then personal jibes are beneath you. Or do you run out of steam when you run out of propaganda?

dittany · 05/04/2010 23:26

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Mandamumu · 05/04/2010 23:25

How do you know that they aren't the majority?
If you won't believe us then who will you believe?

I believe that all hookers should be happy hookers. There is legislation in place to help with that, it just needs to be enforced efficiently.

MissHoneyMoon · 05/04/2010 23:25

In answer to Molesworth, I do not claim to speak for an entire group, especially as diverse as this industry. I am however part of a fairly large section of ladies in regular contact with each other doing the same work and often seeing the same clientele. We are not really as vulnerable or hidden as you suggest. In fact, we are quite organised and have regular meetings, support networks and a private forum that encourages debate and research. Our work is (still) perfectly legal and we have a number of industry forums and platforms to communicate on, including actually discussing this thread which is why I joined in. I am glad to see a debate that appears less about knee jerk reactions. Yes I do keep informed, follow research and also try to understand the history of what I do. As far as this debate goes I am putting forward my personal experience and opinion of actually working as an escort. I wanted to put an actual ?face? on the debate and also counter the ongoing gagging we face by a certain wing of feminists who keep trying to label all of us as victims with no choice or alternative. I resent being ?undervalued? and labelled that way by Harman and Bindel. Like many of my ?colleagues?, I hold two including post graduate degrees and speak 4 languages so I also network with ladies across Europe and North America. Many of us do actually have a choice of how to earn a decent income. My personal reasons are that I no longer wanted to work long insane hours in a very male dominated environment with unspoken sexism. Now I have a lot of free time which really is a luxury in today?s hectic life. It gives me the opportunity to read, study further and spend a lot of time with my family.

PS: what is quaint to refer to yourself as a lady? Selling my foofoo forms part of a long tradition... lol

I am having trouble with my Broadband connection btw so the discussion evolved. I think it really bugs some of the moral crusaders that we can articulate the exact opposite they try to pontificate about. We are not exploited and with the odd exception enjoy what we consider a job. Trust me Mandamumu is only mentioning a small part of the reality which is nothing like the damsel in distress scenario Bindel and her cronies like to perpetuate. We are not Belle de Jours and yet we meet decent guys who pay us to actually give us pleasure. I am now in my sexual prime and ironically got my first proper stonking orgasm through paid work. Mind you like I say on my website ? among my most erogenous zones is my purse.

Neither Mandamumu perpetrate sexual slavery by working as escorts and probably do not stop it either. We tend to attract nice clients who like strong mouthy intelligent women who set clear parameters for their encounters.

Mandamumu · 05/04/2010 23:23

I do, when I'm trying to be polite

Molesworth · 05/04/2010 23:21

Not very convincing, is it?

But even if you (MissHM, Mandamumu) are genuine, you've still failed to convince me that you are qualified to speak for the majority. It's not good enough to appear from nowhere on this forum, say you're a prostitute and that you love it and so do all your colleagues, and that's that. What about those women (oh, sorry, 'ladies') who have spoken about horrific experiences at the hands of clients and pimps? Are you saying that they're lying? That they only represent a minority? How do you know?

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dittany · 05/04/2010 23:14

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Molesworth · 05/04/2010 23:13

"oh wait."

dittany

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Mandamumu · 05/04/2010 23:12

Oh for goodness sake. Is that what that was all about?

Do you want my website address? Do you want me to get a note from my Mummy stating that I'm allowed to indulge in playground squabbling?

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 05/04/2010 23:11

Oh, no, sorry, I misread. I'm a bloke.

Oh well.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 05/04/2010 23:10

What, you think I'm Mandamumu?

Well, that made me .

Mandamumu · 05/04/2010 23:09

Goodness dittany. Reading your posts I'd say you may have some issues. It's rare to find such misandry these days.

My last client paid £250 to pleasure me for 2 hours. He wanted nothing in return, he just wanted to give pleasure. That made him happy.

I do not need the money either, so don't play that card. I have qualifications and skills, I do other work as well. I do this because I like it.

dittany · 05/04/2010 23:08

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dittany · 05/04/2010 23:05

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Mandamumu · 05/04/2010 23:05

Don't you mean:

"For all BdJ's claims about how great it was, it's a Godsend to people like me that her father "paraded" prostituted women in front of her when she was a teenager, even though paraded is probably a complete overstatement"

dittany · 05/04/2010 23:02

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dittany · 05/04/2010 23:00

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OldLadyKnowsNothing · 05/04/2010 22:58

Oh dittany, you disappoint me - to come out with the "you're a man" slur so quickly!

ticks off sex industry v feminists bingo card

Mandamumu · 05/04/2010 22:58

Their actions?

Wanting to spend some time with a woman?
Wanting to be held?

In some cases, yes, they want to have sex. Since when have we lived in such puritanical times for that to be a bad thing?

Mandamumu · 05/04/2010 22:57

I can assure you that MissHoneyMoon is all woman dittany.

dittany · 05/04/2010 22:56

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Mandamumu · 05/04/2010 22:55

@dittany

Therein lies the problem. The women who come forward to speak to support groups etc are the ones who have had a horrendous time of it.

The only cockle pickers I know about are the ones who drowned.

Do womens aid volunteers assume that all marriage involves violence?

I am a prostitute, a whore, a tart, an escort.

I am not and nor have I ever been, prostituted woman and I think you'll find that if the proper amount of effort was put into getting at the truth, the real truth rather than the self promoting rubbish we've seen so far, then you would find that I am amongst the majority in my profession.