How is it possible to be a feminist and support the sex industry?

2 hours (with rest stops) of a very skilled man performing cunnilingus is not torture.

Dittany, you are posting on an open forum. Don't be surprised when people read what you write.

just popped in from out of the boudoir of course

where "she" will be joining all our daddies, brothers and husbands later....

Prossie is not disrespectful. It's just short for prostitute which is what I am. You're the one who was against flowery language, so I have stopped using it.

Prossie is no more disrespectful than calling the postperson 'postie'.

claig...indulge me

how can you be 100% convinced that a poster is "real" ?

personally, I don't give a shit who these two sockpuppets are

but

I have never met a woman, sex-worker or not, who thinks that 2 hours of cunnilingus would be anything less than torturous, tbh

A very, very strange concept...and certainly a shite one if "she" is trying to convince us of her wonderful sexlife at the hands of men who pay for it

We popped in here to give the other side of the story. There are those among you who would like a balanced portrayal of the industry.
I am not and nor have I ever been the proud owner of a (proud) member.
I am all woman. I am an independent prostitute, I have been for about 18 years or so now, sometimes full time, sometimes part time.
I have met all types of client during those years, but I have never been exploited or coerced.

dittany, I thought like you and Molesworth that the language used by MissHoneyMoon and mandamumu indicated that they were men. I was about to make a post on the subject, showing why which would have included some of the same points that you have made, and therefore I reread MissHoneyMoon's posts. That was when I realised that she is for real. I can't say for sure about mandamumu, mandamumu could be one of her male customers, I don't know. But I am now 100% convinced that MissHoneyMoon is for real.

Was that a genuine mistake referring to Dittany as Ms Litany, or trying to be ironic?

You think that Mumsnet has no prossies/ex prossies amongst it's ranks?

Molesworth: It has been my experience that some parts of the sex industry (particularly the swinging and BDSM elements in terms of clubs, mags etc) have a far broader definition of what is attractive than the mainstream media and a wider range of options for sexual behaviour and choice. Women who like, for instance, sex with more than one partner at a time, or exhibitionism, or roleplay are pretty much invariably told by the mainstream that they are only doing it for men's benefits, nuts, on drugs or wicked and this type of criticism is quadrupled if they are not 'conventionally' attractive eg not young or not thin.

I work for a charity in an extremely deprived area and I've seen prostitutes getting in and out of cars and it's shocking to see women who look so ill and malnourished in this country. These women are obviously drug addicts and are incredibly emaciated. I think that any man who would sleep with these women must have something very wrong with him. I do think that it's a world away from what MissHM describes. MissHM is selling more than just her body. A woman desperate for a few pounds who is completely off her face on drugs has only her body to sell.

An earlier poster wrote: 'Women can do what they like with their bodies. But if those actions contribute to the subordination of women in society then they aren't feminist actions.' I don't think that women such as MissHM can be held responsible for trafficked women or the drug addicts charging a few pounds for sex. As I type this on my laptop I'm complicit in the rape of women in the Democratic Republic of Congo who are victims of the civil war fuelled by a mineral which we all have in our laptops and mobile phones. I agree with the point made by MissHM about how we all benefit from slave labour every time we go to Tesco. It's unfair to single out escorts.

Wouldn't jump up and down, not would

SGB, I don't know who you are, but I think I like you.

I'm not here to tell you that all prostitution is good, although the example above comes from the US where prostitution is illegal in the majority of states, not the UK.

I'm here to tell you that not all prostitution is bad.

Dittany I have no problem with using the word cunnilingus, but I don't see why I should be forced to. Surely that's the joy of the english language. I don't feel the need to use the words urinate or defecate either, but I'm sure that in that case you wouldn't jump up and down about my use of florid language.
It's not about disassociation.
I would never claim to have made love to a client, but I would jump up and down and demand you use the word intercourse to describe your bedroom antics.

We in the sex industry (as a whole) want to see an end to sex trafficking and coercion etc. We do our best, we offer help, we try to make sure that all the clients know the warning signs and we make sure they know the crimestoppers number, but there is only so much we can do. Expecting anything more from us is like expecting the nice man from Boots chemist to put an end to street corner drugs peddling.

You want to know who I am? Just ask.
You want to visit my website? You want to exchange emails? Whatever...

I'm easy to find.

Re-reading the thread, I am struck by the irony of a lot of the posts. A central theme appears to be that prostitution is evil and damages women even beyond those working in the industry as it objectifies women. Well, how peculiar that my supposed feminist ?sisters? appear to be the ones objectifying and resorting to derogatory and degrading attacks by labelling me charmingly as a ?fuck hole?. My reference that English is not my first language was to highlight that I am not communicating in my native tongue as someone pointed out. I tend to judge others not by class, profession etc but by how they conduct themselves. The attitude on this thread by some members is to make sweeping and insulting statements about prostitution without first of all accepting personal experiences from at least one actual sex worker nor backing up that demagogic propaganda with actual real arguments.

Must be a strange world for some posters here ? so black and white ? no subtle nuances - men are the perpetrators women are the victims? Those vilifying the ?raping? clients should pause for one second then look at their daddies, brothers, sons and their partners. Yes, all of them are my clients. Again witnessing the vitriol of some posters ? I am wondering if their deep seated unease and quite visible hatred of the whore is also linked to a deep insecurity? So dear Ms Litany, Blinkered and the OP ? I have to dash ? your hubbies are over to my boudoir later today xxx

Molesworth: The patriarchal society's opression of women doesn't start with the sex industry: the bad aspects of the sex industry reflect the pre-existing view, which originates in superstition (the abrahamic religions are all about men being entitled to own women) and the post-industrial revolution economy which is/.was dependent on women's unpaid domestic labour.
SO that end of the sex industry (and I am talking about the whole industry, the clubs, the clothing, the media not just the exchange of sexual favours for cash) which supports hedonism, choice, female sexual autonomy etc is beneficial for women by demonstrating that sex can be fun, not a chore you perform for your male keeper, that promiscuity is enjoyable, and this is better for women than the repressive model of anti-sex theocratic societies.

(The basic beginners equation here - Sweden/Denmark etc; thriving sex industry and good women's rights record vs Iran, Saudi Arabia etc, extremely repressive laws on sexual behaviour, horrendous record on women's rights.)