Petition to stop Tesco's selling lads' mags

EAM I get the point of the analogy and would naturally choose the seagull room but unlike the main focus of the two rooms in your analogy, Tesco has far many more distractions and if I walked into Tesco and found fifty men all standing infront of the mag section I'd walk straight back out. My point being that not every man who goes into a shop or even glimpses those mags will instantly get a semi and make me uncomfortable. It's not affording much credit to men really is it?

I want them to be doing engaging, interesting work where their brains are valued over their bodies!>>

I'm all for that, but in the real world few people get that. We can't all have interesting careers. Most of the work I've done was about using my body to lift and carry things. The fact that I had a brain wasn't considered of any importance. Many men could say the same thing.

I personally think modelling is trivial and I don't see why anyone would think it was something to strive for, but some women seem to actively enjoy it and others seem to at least prefer it to 9 to 5 jobs. Encourage other things by all means, but all this banning is the wrong way.

Hi All, they are targetting Tesco because they recently banned a women (in Wales i think) from shoopping in one of their stores while she was wearing her pyjamas

If this were about pornographic images I'd agree. I'd be happy to see those sealed and covered.

But this seems to be about objecting to what other women do for a living and what other people like to read. You could always speak to the models directly and tell them to get back to working in tesco where they belong.

I do think the trashy things people read these days are mostly a waste of a good tree, but each to their own.

No he is not respectfull in the slightest to me. My job is look after the house, the children and him. I should put that above all my own needs, just as his mother did when he was small.

He does not view any woman as a sex object though. A servent, yes. But not a sex object.

The point I am trying to make is the one that Scardypants has just posted in much clearer way than I have managed thus far.

But it only says that they "encourage" a negative view of women, not that it will change people's minds if they are dead set against objectification etc. Most people IMO aren't dead set against it. The people who buy it buy it for something to read, and the naked ladies are part of what makes them enjoy it.

What do you think of my seagull/porn comparison above?

Hi EAM,

Whilst I agree with most of it as I said in my last post I just don't agree that educated grown men can be swayed in their opinion of women just because of pictures in a magazine. If a man is to have such a low opinion of women and a bad attitude towards them then I imagine it's less to do with a magazine and more that he is an ill-educated, ignorant, sexist bollox.

I am however reading this thread with great interest and reserve the right to alter my view having read and digested a broad range of opinions and facts. Tis a womans perogative isn't it

But Shiny I thought I just saw on the other thread that he calls you a fucking lazy cow or some such? Doesn't sound respectful to me.

What was it about the wording scardypants?

I won't sign because I don't agree with all the wording however I don't agree they should be on view in a family supermarket or newsagent. Children have the right to be protected from such images and form their opinions and attitudes towards the opposite sex by talking to their parents/guardians/teachers and observing how those influential people in their lives treat eachother. Adults on the other hand have a right to a) pose for these mags, b)buy them, c)leer at them, whatever they want.

Don't mind FHM but don't know any of the others so can't comment on them.

But what sort of men read those magazines to begin with? My DH was brought up well and is respectfull towards women. He has no interest in magazines such as Nuts etc. Nor did his father.

My own Dads relationship with his father was much less than ideal. He has an unhealthy interest in porn and does view women as objects.

The magazines aren't creating the problem. They are a symptom of it.

The media reacts to what is going on in society.

I mean, would you feel more comfortable walking into a room full of men watching a programme about seagulls, or a room full of men watching soft porn? By your logic LouLouH it would be the seagull room, because they would be mad keen to letch over your womanly form as a nice change from seabirds. I think most people would find the porn room less comfortable though, as the eyes turned from ogling a screen full of naked women fondling each other to you, a live specimen within touching distance.

Why would we really want men going around the shops with a constant semi from titty pics anyway?

anyway the petition is not to ban them full stop. It is to stop selling them in Tescos.

I'm with JustMyTwoPenceWorth here. If people want to look at this stuff it's up to them but I don't want it in my face. I would like the choice not to have to see it.

Re modelling our behaviour on what we see around us rather than pictures - but you don't tend to see what your mum and dad get up to in the bedroom do you? So in the area of sex, images are going to have a disproportionate influence.
You also don't tend to see that many normal naked women (if you're a boy) so it's not surprising teenage boys are getting an unrealistic idea of what normal women look like.
(There was a brilliant - and quite shocking tv programme - a while back where they asked a class of teenage boys to pick out which were the real vaginas, breasts etc, and they almost universally thought it was the ones that were actually fake.)

Have signed. Porn on show does not stop letching - it encourages the viewing of women as constantly available sex bunnies and therefore encourages it.

'I also think it's fairly naive and insulting to men in general to believe that reading this rubbish will make them think differently about women. When we are growing up our behaviors are modelled on those around us not what we read or what pictures we see.' - I completely disagree with this. There are many, many studies showing that people's (men AND women's) perceptions of women, particularly in a sexual context, change greatly after prolonged exposure to porn (which is definitely how I'd class Zoo, Nuts etc). One study showed that people who had been shown a lot of porn were much less likely to view sympathetically a woman making an accusation of rape.

If the petition was specifically targeting named mags/papers like those mentioned in the link I think it would be more effective. I think banning all lads mags is unfeasible and unnecessary.

I read your link, but most of the stuff featured was from Zoo/Nuts/The Sport.

I'd have no problem in stopping those sorts adverts being printed. Or even those particular publications. The last time I read FHM it was mainly about cars/blood and guts/computers etc. Yes there were women posing in evocative ways in just undies and having interviews about who their ideal partner would be, but Cosmo have the same sort of things starring males.

I also think it's fairly naive and insulting to men in general to believe that reading this rubbish will make them think differently about women. When we are growing up our behaviors are modelled on those around us not what we read or what pictures we see.

A normal, well balanced man is not going to turn into a rapist or sex fiend just because he reads something in a magazine.

I've signed it.

I have no problem with porn mags. I have no problem with porn. Well, I have a problem with people who are abused, or pressured or forced into things due to vulnerability, but not with someone who chooses to be involved in porn. (whole other discussion, I know!)

However, I have a massive problem with taking my children to a supermarket or newsagents and seeing these mags right above Ben10, or Gormiti. If adults want to go and buy such mags, then fine. But they have no place on the main magazine rack, to be absorbed by young children. - kids see everything! Who really thinks that they don't notice these mags just because they have to look up?!