A Man in a dress- how would you feel?

I think the reason men usually look ridiculous in dresses particularly is they are completely unsuited to the male body, much like we have male and female tops, jeans etc. Doesn't matter if they are trying to look like women (never successfully of course) or just making a male style choice. Skirts are probably more forgiving and I have seen some men pull off the look eg. a modest knee length skirt loose enough to not show male contours.

As long as men are dressed modestly and still in male facilities it doesn't really matter what they wear though if it was a man in my own family I would worry what others think of them.

Men wear dresses all the time - especially LGB guys. And the idea of open, loose fabric being 'female' is a Western cliché.

Men wear dresses and skirts to challenge homophobic, misogynistic myths about clothing.

And trans women wear what they want.

Men wear dresses all the time - especially LGB guys. And the idea of open, loose fabric being 'female' is a Western cliché.

Men wear dresses and skirts to challenge homophobic, misogynistic myths about clothing.

And trans women wear what they want.

If my DH put a dress on he'd look bloody hillarious.

If he wanted to go out in it i'd assume he was having a mental breakdown.

If a guy i didn't know well was down the pub in a dress ..... i'd think it was for a dare. I live in a village and pubs are full of farmers.

If i was still living in London i'd be less surprised.

High heels also don't usually work with men's legs and usually much bigger feet.

And yet high heels originated as male attire, specifically for riding in stirrups.

There's an English man I used to be 'friends' with on social media. He wears female-coded clothing every day. The photos he posted were usually of himself going to work in slightly dated office wear: straight skirt, neat blouse, heels. Looked smart. Is married with kids.

He never gave me the slightest sense that he was doing it for 'thrills' or trans-related motives. Just said it's what he likes wearing and everybody's got used to him. We talked a lot about how clothing's unfairly gendered and how this changes over time.

I think he's a classic eccentric comparable to Zack Pinsent, who specialises in Regency menswear and dresses in that style all the time. I certainly don't feel he's doing anything bad - though I hope he's branched out from those bloody stilettoes by now!

Oh, well your argument, has fallen apart then hasn’t it 🤷‍♀️

As a reminder, your argument was: they just look stupid when men don't have a waist and have thicker more muscular legs than women generally.

Really great job at feminism, btw. Making women feel great in their bodies! 👏🙄

I can only go by what I see. Which is that gender critical feminists on this site rarely comment on instances of clear and horrible misogyny by other gender critical feminists, but ALWAYS challenge anyone with non gender critical views, even when that person is arguing for something they also agree with.

You and @ErrolTheDragon dont think women need to accentuate their feminine assets or whatever that poster said to wear dresses; yet you haven’t challenged them, you only care about winning a fight with me. And that’s why it’s impossible for me to believe that doing right by women is your priority 🤷‍♀️

I don't mind men in 'skirts' (kilts,sarongs) or 'dresses' (e.g. those long white tunics Saudis etc wear, same in other asian or african countries), - they're designed for male bodies. A hard no to a man in clothes designed for women's bodies, e.g. small waisted spinny skirts or mini skirts - they just look stupid when men don't have a waist and have thicker more muscular legs than women generally do. High heels also don't usually work with men's legs and usually much bigger feet. Of course, it can work with a man whose body is similar in proportions to women's.

So your question is how would I feel if...? I'd be fine if the outfit actually suited them and didn't make them look stupid or tragic.

Before Eddie Izzard became Suzie or Eddie, I'd sometimes see him strut down Dean Street in Soho, in high heeled boots and a skirt and jacket and a bit of make up. He looked great, but he wasn't pretending to be a woman, clearly wasn't pretending to be anything other than 'himself'.

I'm fairly new here and have only read through a couple of posts, but I wanted to ask a question.

How would you feel if a man you knew wanted to wear "Female" (heavy on the quotation marks) clothing?

I'm specifically talking about a male whose only intention is to wear the dress because they like the dress, nothing else — no statement, no 'changing' of pronouns or wanting to be treated or referred to in any particular way, no mockery, no discussion or intention of 'becoming' a woman (again, quote unquote, not saying it's possible).

Would you genuinely be okay with this, say if your husband/friend/ colleague wearing a dress out in public? Would you have any thoughts or feelings about it, and would these affect what you say to them or how you would act?

I'm not sure how I would respond, honestly, and I know that's probably (definitely) due to my internalisation of 'gendered' norms (by that I man sex based). I think I my knee jerk reaction might be to feel inclined that its somehow not right or looks silly, before reminding myself that its just a piece of fabric and if someone likes what they like on their body, thats kindof the end of it.

On the other hand, I definitely wouldn't have the same reaction to seeing women in any clothing, and my response would always be neutral to positive.

No, I'm neither breathtakingly stupid or cruel. I'm a women that's had to live for 70 years under the patriarchy. And like most women worldwide I have suffered and been influenced accordingly. And please do not conflate two separate issues. Very few women historically (or today) would've thought of gay men as perverts. I think you'll find that straight women of my generation played pivotal and indispensable roles in the gay rights movement, from politics to grassroots activism and cultural advocacy. It is men, not women, who voiced the most vehement prejudice and indeed inflicted appalling violence upon the gay community.

I dont think you’ve understood which posts I think are denying women agency. It’s the ones that say a woman ‘hasn’t twigged’ etc etc.

Nope, following just fine.

You asked for examples of your misogyny.

Portraying the recognition that women (and men)'s clothing choices are not made in a vacuum as "denying women any agency" is an old misogynistic trick.

So there, that's the example you asked for.

I don’t think you followed the thread of this conversation or whose making what point at all, unfortunately 😬

@BackToLurk Your view on the thread was ‘dress as you please’. We dont disagree.

AND YET you’re still coming for me as opposed to the posters denying women agency, or the posts saying men shouldn’t wear dresses because they don’t have small waists and their legs are too muscular (I asked if women without small waists or big legs were allowed to wear dresses according to that poster). Why on earth am I YOUR villain of this thread?