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NHS bans transwomen from female space

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LadyHelenaThistle · 15/10/2026 14:07

New guidelines out: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/10/15/nhs-bans-trans-women-female-spaces-supreme-court-ruling/

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borntobequiet · 16/10/2026 19:15

totino · 16/10/2026 19:01

Well the post I was replying to was not about rape, it was about cis and trans women sharing a space. Which kinda struck me as "penis in vicinity = getting pregnant" and also "trans woman = rape" which I take issue with.

It’s possible that you don’t know how reproduction works.

totino · 16/10/2026 19:01

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:29

Spectacularly fucking awful.

' Is pregnancy unstoppable?'

Christ on a bike. Women don't get to care about being raped, because if they get impregnated they can fix that.

Well the post I was replying to was not about rape, it was about cis and trans women sharing a space. Which kinda struck me as "penis in vicinity = getting pregnant" and also "trans woman = rape" which I take issue with.

spannasaurus · 16/10/2026 18:34

Officials could also face disciplinary action if they repeatedly refused to refer to trans people by their preferred pronouns, said the new rules

The leaked civil service guidance (extracts below) says that misgendering/deadnaming could be disciplinary offences but there doesn't seem to be anything that requires you to use wrong pronouns. If an employee referred to a trans colleague by name instead of using pronouns that shouldn't be a disciplinary offence

That does not, however, mean that it is acceptable to indiscriminately and gratuitously refer to a transgender person on terms other than they would wish.

However, deliberate deadnaming or misgendering to deny, mock or invalidate a person's transgender identity is unacceptable and should be investigated as potential misconduct.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 16/10/2026 18:34

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:36

You know, before I googled to find that news story, I was blissfully unaware that 'trans 'girl' masturbating in hospital' appears to be a whole porn category.

Dear lord. A new low every day.

GailBlancheViola · 16/10/2026 18:10

flumpkeu · 16/10/2026 18:01

@readbutdonotpostoften interesting it specifically mentions biological men in the women’s as opposed to trans for generally, as we all know it’s them who will be the problem.

It clarifies that men identifying as women are, as we all know and they themselves know, biological men.

GailBlancheViola · 16/10/2026 18:06

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/10/2026 17:54

Yet senior managers in certain NHS trusts excitedly signed off on policies enabling sex offending men like "Paula" to be admitted onto women's wards.

Link before alcove starts banging his cupboard doors claiming it's untrue 🙄

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/trans-sex-offenders-can-go-on-womens-wards-hospitals-advise-0fmbhm3bn

I'd love to read the Impact Assessment that was done for that, what's that? There wasn't one? Gosh, what a surprise.

Those who signed off on those policies and acted upon them should be criminally charged for aiding and abetting the commission of a crime be that voyuerism, indecent exposure, sexual assault or rape.

Make them accountable personally, criminally and financially. It goes without saying they should also be sacked and never allowed to work within a similar organisation whether private or public funded again.

Wishesandhorses · 16/10/2026 18:04

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:29

Spectacularly fucking awful.

' Is pregnancy unstoppable?'

Christ on a bike. Women don't get to care about being raped, because if they get impregnated they can fix that.

And that's the point I would really quite like a psychiatrist's view, because that reasoning and view of other human beings is distorted to the point of being severely concerning. Not someone needed anywhere near women in a state of undress, thank you for the demonstration there.

Officials could also face disciplinary action if they repeatedly refused to refer to trans people by their preferred pronouns

'Repeatedly' being the operative word there. The guidance makes clear that accidents and the speaker having needs of their own are relevant, so this would be on a par for example with some idiot making repeatedly inappropriate sexual remarks to a colleague or needling them about their weight, (which would be plain old harassment the same as any other kind of harassment, nothing special to see here).

However, it also warned staff against “confronting” biological men using the wrong facilities, saying it could “amount to unlawful harassment”.

BUT to report it to manager who will deal with it. Because it's against staff policy. Although I can't see in a court room a woman who says to a man 'this is the women's single sex space, you know this, you are intentionally and wilfully invading it, please leave right now', is going to be done for harassment - because HE is the one harassing her and every other woman, and has laid himself open to many questions about his motives, which were obviously dodgy from the moment he walked inside. The act of intentionally entering by itself is an annoucement of ill intent towards the women there.

No, I think this does the job very well.

readbutdonotpostoften · 16/10/2026 18:04

flumpkeu · 16/10/2026 18:01

@readbutdonotpostoften interesting it specifically mentions biological men in the women’s as opposed to trans for generally, as we all know it’s them who will be the problem.

Yes that was the only "positive" I took from it. Obviously concern, if this is fine for the civil service it will filter through to other public institutions, most likely the NHS.

You cannot go in the women's spaces but don't worry if you do and a woman has the temerity to challenge you the woman will be in the wrong.

flumpkeu · 16/10/2026 18:01

@readbutdonotpostoften interesting it specifically mentions biological men in the women’s as opposed to trans for generally, as we all know it’s them who will be the problem.

readbutdonotpostoften · 16/10/2026 17:55

I have just posted this is the Sandie Peggie thread but probably relevant here too.

This is an extract from an article just on The Daily Telegraph - probably paywalled if I post a link. No mention of the NHS but......

"Civil servants have been told not to challenge trans women who wrongly use female lavatories.
Guidance published on Thursday states that trans people in Whitehall departments should only use the lavatories and changing rooms of their biological sex, not their gender identity.
However, it also warned staff against “confronting” biological men using the wrong facilities, saying it could “amount to unlawful harassment”.
Officials could also face disciplinary action if they repeatedly refused to refer to trans people by their preferred pronouns, said the new rules, which were sent to the 70,000 civil servants at His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs (HMRC)

Other departments, such as the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), have set out similar policies"

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/10/2026 17:54

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:36

You know, before I googled to find that news story, I was blissfully unaware that 'trans 'girl' masturbating in hospital' appears to be a whole porn category.

Yet senior managers in certain NHS trusts excitedly signed off on policies enabling sex offending men like "Paula" to be admitted onto women's wards.

Link before alcove starts banging his cupboard doors claiming it's untrue 🙄

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/trans-sex-offenders-can-go-on-womens-wards-hospitals-advise-0fmbhm3bn

Verifying Device

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/trans-sex-offenders-can-go-on-womens-wards-hospitals-advise-0fmbhm3bn

NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/10/2026 17:39

totino · 15/10/2026 22:04

Yes there is, being equal.

Everyone deserves to be safe.

But when being treated as 'equal' means being less safe, it's not feminist to put women at risk to appear 'fair'.

Equity, not equality.

nicepotoftea · 16/10/2026 17:38

LadyHelenaThistle · 16/10/2026 17:29

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1x7fbwt/should_the_nhs_publish_its_risk_assessment/

Perhaps they could publish this risk assessment right after they publish the one they carried out before putting men in with women in the first place.

”We're the current political target and considered subhuman at this point by those in power; cruelty is the goal, all because we give the ick to a couple of well-connected, powerful, and endless-funded bigots.”

They can’t even consider the validity of any of the reasons women give for wanting their own spaces, because that would not center them. They are so odd and childish.

”We're the current political target and considered subhuman at this point by those in power; cruelty is the goal, all because we give the ick to a couple of well-connected, powerful, and endless-funded bigots.”

And you wonder why they lose court cases...

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:36

You know, before I googled to find that news story, I was blissfully unaware that 'trans 'girl' masturbating in hospital' appears to be a whole porn category.

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:35

To be fair, men who masturbate in public do give me the ick.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/transgender-woman-masturbated-in-full-34125783

'A transgender woman has been jailed for masturbating in front of nurses at a Welsh hospital. Serial sex offender Paula Stanton, 62, of Severn Avenue, Barry, has been jailed after she admitted carrying out an act outraging public decency by masturbating at the University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff earlier this year.'

Transgender woman performed sex act in full view of staff at Cardiff hospital

The transgender woman carried out the act while awaiting a mental health assessment

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/transgender-woman-masturbated-in-full-34125783

GailBlancheViola · 16/10/2026 17:34

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:33

Why do they get to choose a ward without men, but women aren't allowed to choose a ward without men?

Because they are men, the world is supposed to revolve around them.

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:33

Why do they get to choose a ward without men, but women aren't allowed to choose a ward without men?

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:31

LadyHelenaThistle · 16/10/2026 17:29

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1x7fbwt/should_the_nhs_publish_its_risk_assessment/

Perhaps they could publish this risk assessment right after they publish the one they carried out before putting men in with women in the first place.

”We're the current political target and considered subhuman at this point by those in power; cruelty is the goal, all because we give the ick to a couple of well-connected, powerful, and endless-funded bigots.”

They can’t even consider the validity of any of the reasons women give for wanting their own spaces, because that would not center them. They are so odd and childish.

'we give the ick to a couple of well-connected, powerful, and endless-funded bigots'

So men think that women who are afraid of men are motivated by 'ick'.

Yet again, they reveal just how little they understand women, women's experiences, and women's motivations.

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:29

That has made totino's position crystal clear, at least.

LadyHelenaThistle · 16/10/2026 17:29

Wishesandhorses · 16/10/2026 15:31

Yes but that was MEN.

Men MATTER.

Women..... are just walking resourcy type things, for men to use.

Hence the absolute bafflement, confusion and dismay at this whole idea that these resourcy kind of thingies get rights too. I mean, what are you supposed to do if you can't just use them and their stuff at will? How does that even work?

But it makes an absolute haystack of any idea that anyone ever thought these men were anything other than men, or that anyone involved has the faintest issue in knowing who is of which sex in order to know if they matter or not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1x7fbwt/should_the_nhs_publish_its_risk_assessment/

Perhaps they could publish this risk assessment right after they publish the one they carried out before putting men in with women in the first place.

”We're the current political target and considered subhuman at this point by those in power; cruelty is the goal, all because we give the ick to a couple of well-connected, powerful, and endless-funded bigots.”

They can’t even consider the validity of any of the reasons women give for wanting their own spaces, because that would not center them. They are so odd and childish.

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ArabellaScott · 16/10/2026 17:29

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 16/10/2026 15:22

Oh, it is better than that as crass goes. It ignores every single woman who is trying and failing to conceive (for whatever reason) and feeling despairing as a result. Such a nasty thing to have said.

Spectacularly fucking awful.

' Is pregnancy unstoppable?'

Christ on a bike. Women don't get to care about being raped, because if they get impregnated they can fix that.

callmeLoretta1 · 16/10/2026 16:56

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 16/10/2026 12:27

In practice, it won't happen. The NHS is broken and on its knees.

I recently had emergency surgery. Crammed in a corridor with literally hundreds of people, my nurse unable to locate a drip stand, prep for surgery done in a cubicle divided into two cramped spaces, left on a random ward while still asleep post-surgery, recovery on a two-bed Critical Care ward.

There's literally no room to accommodate transphobia.

Oh, it will happen! Because we'll be suing the living shit out of them with lawsuits galore. Best you believe it!

There is literally no reason why we should accommodate femphobia, misogynistic bigotry or predatory behaviour.

callmeLoretta1 · 16/10/2026 16:49

totino · 16/10/2026 08:43

People hate this on here but to me you would be who you say you are. It's not for me to tell other people their identity and it's not my business either. I don't even understand this desire to inform others on who they can or can't be. It's not the same as saying you're an astronaut (a profession), a cat (different species), or Napoleon (actual individual that is deceased), so none of these comparisons people like to make work. There's only two options, either being trans is an authentic experience, or all trans people the world over are delusional or faking it. I do not believe the latter. And if it's authentic, the only issue remains whether being inclusive causes harm, and I'm not persuaded it does. It's not about individual crimes or misbehavior. Trans women as a group do not cause harm to cis women as a group.

So you're saying would should automatically take a man at his word. That has worked out well for women and children over the centuries... I suppose you think we should do away with stranger-danger too, and tell children to believe what that male in the van wearing a wig outside their school says. Only a fool would say we should ignore our hardwired instincts and gullibly take males at their word. Including males in female spaces causes harm to females, especially female victims of rape and various other trauma. This is demonstrably true.

Btw, evidence clearly proves transwomen sexually offend 3-5 times higher than all other males.

NHS bans transwomen from female space
NHS bans transwomen from female space
Wishesandhorses · 16/10/2026 16:45

I'd add the multiply raped (in one night) victim of 'Karen' White in a locked mental health ward, which ended in a successful prosecution and sentencing to prison. (White assaulted another women while in a women's prison he had self ID'd into while awaiting trial for the rapes.)

But whatever. There's no point in arguing, because the basic point to such posters is that nothing that happens to women ever justifies a woman thwarting a man. Felt so passionately that it requires daily rage on a women's rights forum.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 16/10/2026 16:40

callmeLoretta1 · 16/10/2026 16:28

I guess you never heard about this woman being raped by a transwoman in a on a woman's ward: https://www.medicalbrief.co.za/uk-hospital-tells-police-patient-could-not-have-been-raped-since-attacker-was-transgender/

Or that there have been over 5000 sexual assaults on women in hospitals.

ac has already made the claim that this was "only" stated as having happened by a baroness making a report in the House of Lords.

I didn't realise how many sexual assaults on women had been made in hospitals. Nasty.