NHS bans transwomen from female space

Decent male staff keep away from women who don't want them in their spaces - this is why women are given the choice in intimate examinations or offered chaperones. Unfortunately however, there are male staff who do sexually assault women, or who pretend to be women and ignore women who only want mento treat them (like a certain Dr Upton) - they obviously come under the heading of 'not decent'.

Peculiar. It’s not been published where it should be, but it does seem like it could be.

Concerning that it’s a “long read” rather than “guidance”…

I don't consider spaces with trans and cis women mixed. I consider them women's spaces, which I prefer to SSS, because I don't go in for bioessentialism. I'm actually reeling from how far people are trying to turn the clock back.

Both cis and trans women get abused by men. So they are both safer without them. A trans woman can be dangerous, a cis woman can also be dangerous, but neither compare to men as a group.

I don't think men rape and are violent because of their penis, or because of testosterone or because it's in their genes. It's clearly patriarchy and toxic masculinity, which rejects trans women.

The only reason to identify a class is to abolish it.

Cis men commit violence and crimes at a rate that no other group does. I would never question that, it's plainly true. Because they are the dominant group in society with the most power and influence. Trans women can be successful but they can not attain that status.

I reject the idea that a trans women being present is an automatic violation of any women's privacy and dignity. If you say other women can't consent for you that's true, but likewise you cannot revoke consent for all of us either.

It’s a good job nobody asks you to get involved, in that case.
You’re a buffoon.

I don't consider spaces with trans and cis women mixed. I consider them women's spaces, which I prefer to SSS, because I don't go in for bioessentialism. I'm actually reeling from how far people are trying to turn the clock back.

Both cis and trans women get abused by men. So they are both safer without them. A trans woman can be dangerous, a cis woman can also be dangerous, but neither compare to men as a group.

I don't think men rape and are violent because of their penis, or because of testosterone or because it's in their genes. It's clearly patriarchy and toxic masculinity, which rejects trans women.

I don't consider spaces with trans and cis women mixed. I consider them women's spaces, which I prefer to SSS, because I don't go in for bioessentialism. I'm actually reeling from how far people are trying to turn the clock back.

Both cis and trans women get abused by men. So they are both safer without them. A trans woman can be dangerous, a cis woman can also be dangerous, but neither compare to men as a group.

I don't think men rape and are violent because of their penis, or because of testosterone or because it's in their genes. It's clearly patriarchy and toxic masculinity, which rejects trans women.

I don't consider spaces with trans and cis women mixed. I consider them women's spaces, which I prefer to SSS, because I don't go in for bioessentialism. I'm actually reeling from how far people are trying to turn the clock back.

Both cis and trans women get abused by men. So they are both safer without them. A trans woman can be dangerous, a cis woman can also be dangerous, but neither compare to men as a group.

I don't think men rape and are violent because of their penis, or because of testosterone or because it's in their genes. It's clearly patriarchy and toxic masculinity, which rejects trans women.

So you think all spaces should be mixed sex? But if TW say they are unsafe in male spaces, how will they be safe in mixed sex spaces, when the very men whom they are scared of will also be in those spaces?

The same rules apply. Fife ignored them and made staff too scared to report. But we don't know that it actually ever happened - he said he would do it, not that he had done it.

What rules in NHS Scotland prevented him from treating women who had specifically asked for a female doctor and why was he allowed to ignore them?

The only reason to identify a class is to abolish it.

Cis men commit violence and crimes at a rate that no other group does. I would never question that, it's plainly true. Because they are the dominant group in society with the most power and influence. Trans women can be successful but they can not attain that status.

I reject the idea that a trans women being present is an automatic violation of any women's privacy and dignity. If you say other women can't consent for you that's true, but likewise you cannot revoke consent for all of us either.

I don't think sex segregation is feminist. It reinforces the idea that men are inherently violent and that women are inherently vulnerable. You've noticed, I'm sure, that the countries with the strictest sex segregation are also often the ones with the fewest women's rights. But I'll repeat myself and say once again that I don't view trans women as a type of men so it's beside the point.

Women's spaces are essential and should be open for all women, including trans women.

The only reason to identify a class is to abolish it.

Cis men commit violence and crimes at a rate that no other group does. I would never question that, it's plainly true. Because they are the dominant group in society with the most power and influence. Trans women can be successful but they can not attain that status.

I reject the idea that a trans women being present is an automatic violation of any women's privacy and dignity. If you say other women can't consent for you that's true, but likewise you cannot revoke consent for all of us either.

Men are inherently dangerous as a sex class in a way that women aren't, yes. The stats bear that out. Leaving aside the violence, women have the right to privacy and dignity away from men, regardless of how those men present themselves to the world.

I don't think sex segregation is feminist. It reinforces the idea that men are inherently violent and that women are inherently vulnerable. You've noticed, I'm sure, that the countries with the strictest sex segregation are also often the ones with the fewest women's rights. But I'll repeat myself and say once again that I don't view trans women as a type of men so it's beside the point.

Women's spaces are essential and should be open for all women, including trans women.

I don't think sex segregation is feminist. It reinforces the idea that men are inherently violent and that women are inherently vulnerable. You've noticed, I'm sure, that the countries with the strictest sex segregation are also often the ones with the fewest women's rights. But I'll repeat myself and say once again that I don't view trans women as a type of men so it's beside the point.

Women's spaces are essential and should be open for all women, including trans women.

Just to pick up one point here - are male medical staff not decent? We don't have single sex facilities in the NHS - we have single sex groups of patients.

Given a trans man being raped in a male facility is the only recorded attack involving anyone trans in a hospital - that is absolutely appropriate.

I don't think sex segregation is feminist. It reinforces the idea that men are inherently violent and that women are inherently vulnerable. You've noticed, I'm sure, that the countries with the strictest sex segregation are also often the ones with the fewest women's rights. But I'll repeat myself and say once again that I don't view trans women as a type of men so it's beside the point.

Women's spaces are essential and should be open for all women, including trans women.

Men are inherently dangerous as a sex class in a way that women aren't, yes. The stats bear that out. Leaving aside the violence, women have the right to privacy and dignity away from men, regardless of how those men present themselves to the world.

Absolutely - everyone should be safe. Women are less safe when men are in their spaces however - which is why decent men who know , recognise and respect that keep away.