NHS bans transwomen from female space

The only reason to identify a class is to abolish it.

Cis men commit violence and crimes at a rate that no other group does. I would never question that, it's plainly true. Because they are the dominant group in society with the most power and influence. Trans women can be successful but they can not attain that status.

I reject the idea that a trans women being present is an automatic violation of any women's privacy and dignity. If you say other women can't consent for you that's true, but likewise you cannot revoke consent for all of us either.

Yes, I've now checked and it's gone gone gone.

Accommodation for trans identifying patients is now covered in section 4, and removes all the bits about choice according to how they identify, and about 'gender variant children'. Accommodation by biological sex is given as the default option, with single-occupancy rooms as an alternative if available and if necessary for the privacy, dignity and safety of all patients - not only the trans one.

@TwoLoonsAndASprout @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn

Is it true that Annex B has been completely removed, do you know? I haven't seen it, but although I think I've seen all the published documents from today, I may have missed one. Thanks.

As I said, laws on assault and rules on consent to treatment - patients can refuse consent to treatment by any HCP for any reason.

In England there are also specific rights to request same sex care set out in the NHS Constitution https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-nhs-constitution-for-england I don't know whether Scotland has similar.

Never have the times been sadder.

M&S should do a range of Big Girl Pants in a choice of pastel pink and blue or rainbow colours for all those adversely affected by today's news, because it's time to put them on.

But what rules are they exactly?

Never have the times been sadder.

M&S should do a range of Big Girl Pants in a choice of pastel pink and blue or rainbow colours for all those adversely affected by today's news, because it's time to put them on.

I need to file mine down so it’s tiny enough

You'll need to explain that one I'm afraid.

Why are you claiming she said something that she didn’t?

Whats the consensus on here about transwomen who have gone all the way and had a full reassignment surgery? Do you think this should still apply? Should they be put in a men's prison too?

Not trying to provoke an argument btw. I don't think someone with a penis should be allowed in women's spaces unless they're a very young kid with their mum, women's safety should be the priority. But transwomen get raped and sexually assaulted by men (and presumably other transwomen) too.

I need to file mine down so it’s tiny enough

I find it amusing that the people so determined that a TIM is a woman can never explain why these males should be included in female spaces and others excluded. It’s a bit like flat earthers. They “know” the earth is flat despite all scientific proof, but can’t explain why.

You know that space does not necessarily refer to a physical room, right?

That's not A Thing. Any patient can refuse treatment from any doctor/nurse/medical staffer at any time - for any reason. They cannot demand they do not go into 'their spaces' because it is not their space. A single sex ward refers to the patients - not the staff. One individual cannot demand no member of the opposite sex does not enter to treat others.

I think you may have forgotten the woman in a women's ward who was raped by a trans-identifying man, after which when she reported it the NHS authorities of that hospital told her it was not possible a man had raped her because no man had been in that ward that night.

Only a man who said he was a woman.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

It was widely reported the following year, but the other reports I have found are behind pay-walls.

That's not A Thing. Any patient can refuse treatment from any doctor/nurse/medical staffer at any time - for any reason. They cannot demand they do not go into 'their spaces' because it is not their space. A single sex ward refers to the patients - not the staff. One individual cannot demand no member of the opposite sex does not enter to treat others.

I’ve got my violin ready 🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻

I think you're being very insulting to buffoons there.

I know that's the consensus here, I just thought the experience bit was off because "experience" was what made them try to NOT put trans women with the men

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/privacy-dignity-and-safety-in-hospital-accommodation/

from this document, this stood out to me:

When the use of mixed-sex accommodation is unavoidable, every effort should be made to provide accommodation that meets the requirements of this guidance as soon as possible. Until that time, staff must take extra care to ensure privacy and dignity, particularly where patients are cared for on beds or trolleys, even when they do not stay overnight.
In every instance, the patient, their relatives and their carers should be informed of:
• the reasons why patients of different sexes are being accommodated together
• what is being done to address the situation and the expected timeline for resolving it
Patients, their relatives and their carers should be kept updated regularly and these conversations should be clearly recorded in the patient’s record.

[my bold]

Is this new, does anyone know?

Oh well, it's sad times for totino et al.